Hungarian

[The Bedlington Terrier]

If there are repercussions for monkey gestures, throwing plastic cups and booing the knee then nearly half the clubs in England should also have repercussions.It is pathetic it really is.I dont condone it but nearly every club in the Uk has some fans who commit the same or similar things.

We don't just arrive in foreign lands to play football CiB, we also have to bring our own hypocritical and perverse brand of morality with us. Altobelli has made some very salient points over how useless and corrupt our own FA is during the last few years. It's strange to see their duplicity in action.

[sinkov]

What do we call it sport politics ,when English Football players take the knee? Have the committee members in the Football Association voted that all players have to take the knee ,as a sign of respect, which is a message to all players of different backgrounds of multi-cultural inheritance, meaning ''we care'', if that has been agreed upon! Most probably that it has been agreed upon, many moons ago ?
A football player would wisely listen to what the F A are saying, and follow! Not the media ,not football fans ,just the sweet F A. Then likewise that is what they have to do where ever it may be. Likewise if the Sweet F A ,say on such and such a date there will be no ''taking the knee'', if a certain player will not follow ,it could be he will find himself missing ,simply out of the England team.

I do not believe that Sterling ran to the Hungarian fans just to show what was printed on his shirt! He ran to the photographers there in that corner. Why did Sterling not run towards the half way line ,simply because there are no photographers there? More than 45 mins he had no chance of showing his printed shirt. We can see this by looking at the Media's newspapers ( Daily Mail and Sun etc newspapers ) He delivered his message ,looking up at the sky ,as if she was there, his female friend, Steffie Gregg who passed away after Covid-19 complications this week. He was not even looking at the Hungarian fans. If on his shirt was printed something provocative ,his face would be looking at those Hungarian fans with a show of arrogance, pride etc
Later Rice and some other player went towards the fans ,almost appearing to say, with arms outstretched ''what the phucks up with you guys?'' Whilst smoke bombs had been thrown?

If Raheem had wanted to show his message to the world, he could have run towards the TV cameras, and he's media savvy, he knows exactly where they are, but he didn't, the ITV team couldn't tell us what the msg said, because the TV cameras couldn't pick it up, he'd run away from them and towards the Hungarian fans. If he wanted the world to pick his msg up, he could have continued towards the centre of the pitch, the TV cameras would have focused on it, and Press photographers did discover telephoto lens quite some time ago, they wouldn't have missed it, they miss nowt them lads. But that wouldn't have given the home fans the opportunity to show how racist they were, and that would have been a shame, an opportunity missed wouldn't it.

And in addition to that, why does Raheem think playing for England gives him the right to display personal msgs to an audience that's turned up, or tuned in, and paid good money, simply to watch a football match ? Like I said on another post, it's not all about you Raheem, but he clearly thinks it is.

Which leads me on to the suitability of Raheem to even play for the national team, let alone captain it. He knew that taking his shirt off would lead to a yellow card, leaving him just one mis-timed tackle, or a dodgy decision from the ref, away from being sent off, and England playing in a WC qualifier with ten men. Did he consider this aspect of it, if he did, but went ahead anyway, he's not fit to play for his national team, if it never occurred to him, he's not fit to be wearing an England shirt either. And did Gareth know what he planned to do ? There are question marks about his role in this pantomime as well.

[Swissclaret]

The Hungarians do not have a colonial past and there is no migration here because after having a referendum in 2015 Viktor Orban sided with over 90% of the referendum vote and refused to accept migrants building a fence on the southern border to keep them out.We do not have all the problems associated with multi-cultural societies and the people rightly want to keep it that way.
There are only three instances when Hungarians take the knee according to Viktor Orban and they are when proposing marriage, to the national flag and to God full stop.Anything else is foreign to them and they take offence to being preached to by woke liberals because they can see through the scam.Politics has no place in Sport is their overriding opinion.
The whiteness you refer to is pleasantly surprising but that does not mean the population is racist.There are many cultures here.There is a massive Jewish population here with German and Slavik minorities in many towns and cities.Indeed there are many towns where the whole town or the vast majoerity speak two languages for instance German or Slovakian as well as Hungarian.There are also many far eastern people who have relocated here(Chinese and Vietnamese).The country and culture is based on Christian/Judean and they want to keep it that way.It is their choice and people should respect that.

Well said, CIB.

Switzerland is the same. It prefers to retain its values, culture and heritage. I see nothing wrong in that. It is not “racist”. People who do move here are expected to adopt the Swiss way of life. If they do like it, they can leave. Swiss society is tolerant, but not to the extent it loses its identity.

I rarely visit Burnley. When I was a schoolboy I often played with friends in Stoneyholme. On my last visit I went there and was shocked. When I got out of the car I was stared out, approached aggressively and generally given the message that I was not welcome there. It felt like an alien place, not somewhere that I once knew and where I met up with friends.

I cannot say that Burnley has been improved by immigration of that nature.

[ClaretinBudapest]

Well said, CIB.

Switzerland is the same. It prefers to retain its values, culture and heritage. I see nothing wrong in that. It is not “racist”. People who do move here are expected to adopt the Swiss way of life. If they do like it, they can leave. Swiss society is tolerant, but not to the extent it loses its identity.

I rarely visit Burnley. When I was a schoolboy I often played with friends in Stoneyholme. On my last visit I went there and was shocked. When I got out of the car I was stared out, approached aggressively and generally given the message that I was not welcome there. It felt like an alien place, not somewhere that I once knew and where I met up with friends.

I cannot say that Burnley has been improved by immigration of that nature.

I fully agree Swiss.I spent 18 months in East Lancashire from 2019-2020 and I was gob smacked.You only realise the amount of change if you return after a long time.It was 1991 when I left and for me it was dumbfounding how much the demography has changed and I can confidently say that it is not for the better.

[sinkov]

I rarely visit Burnley. When I was a schoolboy I often played with friends in Stoneyholme. On my last visit I went there and was shocked. When I got out of the car I was stared out, approached aggressively and generally given the message that I was not welcome there. It felt like an alien place, not somewhere that I once knew and where I met up with friends.

I know exactly what you mean Swiss, but you were lucky, I was a fireman for 14 years in Burnley and we copped it down Stoneyholme on a regular basis, I then transferred to Nelson and thought I'd escaped this regular racist abuse, but the first shout down Brierfield soon disavowed me of this fanciful idea.

[Supersub6]

I know exactly what you mean Swiss, but you were lucky, I was a fireman for 14 years in Burnley and we copped it down Stoneyholme on a regular basis, I then transferred to Nelson and thought I'd escaped this regular racist abuse, but the first shout down Brierfield soon disavowed me of this fanciful idea.

It's all part of Mister Blair's multicultural society ---isn't it? Mind you, sinkov, in the Fire Service, just like my sone in the London Ambulance Service, you represented the authorities in many peoples' eyes, therefore you were a legitimate target for whatever point they wished to make. Very sad indeed!

[sinkov]

It's all part of Mister Blair's multicultural society ---isn't it? Mind you, sinkov, in the Fire Service, just like my sone in the London Ambulance Service, you represented the authorities in many peoples' eyes, therefore you were a legitimate target for whatever point they wished to make. Very sad indeed!

I don't know about representing authority Sub, maybe, but they did seem keen to make the point that we were 'foreigners' in 'their' area and so not welcome. I got the strong impression that the colour of my skin had something to do with it as well. There was one lad of Asian origin worked on the Retained at Nelson, when he was with us we never encountered a problem.

[army88]

If Raheem had wanted to show his message to the world, he could have run towards the TV cameras, and he's media savvy, he knows exactly where they are, but he didn't, the ITV team couldn't tell us what the msg said, because the TV cameras couldn't pick it up, he'd run away from them and towards the Hungarian fans. If he wanted the world to pick his msg up, he could have continued towards the centre of the pitch, the TV cameras would have focused on it, and Press photographers did discover telephoto lens quite some time ago, they wouldn't have missed it, they miss nowt them lads. But that wouldn't have given the home fans the opportunity to show how racist they were, and that would have been a shame, an opportunity missed wouldn't it.

And in addition to that, why does Raheem think playing for England gives him the right to display personal msgs to an audience that's turned up, or tuned in, and paid good money, simply to watch a football match ? Like I said on another post, it's not all about you Raheem, but he clearly thinks it is.

Which leads me on to the suitability of Raheem to even play for the national team, let alone captain it. He knew that taking his shirt off would lead to a yellow card, leaving him just one mis-timed tackle, or a dodgy decision from the ref, away from being sent off, and England playing in a WC qualifier with ten men. Did he consider this aspect of it, if he did, but went ahead anyway, he's not fit to play for his national team, if it never occurred to him, he's not fit to be wearing an England shirt either. And did Gareth know what he planned to do ? There are question marks about his role in this pantomime as well.

We’re right back to where I said before with this Sinkov , as you rightly say why did the face of BLM and his horrible life need to do the things he did within the game , inciting trouble and racism - but like I said many times if you stand them on a platform and let them have free reign this is what happens.

In fact you are absolutely correct in that our football body should be questioning why we did that in a different country with different culture and yet all that’s asked if if Raheem was racist abused.

All of a sudden we are back to BLM laughing at winning again as our national team takes the knee antagonising a hostile crows before a ball was kicked.

They’ve opened a can of worms and right with this rubbish and also and I still insist the longer it goes the more racist people and a bigger divide they are creating, hats off to BLM imagine conning not just the everyday bod but also the major Tv companies and scaring so many businesses into more stupid racism than they could ever of imagined.

Some feat indeed.

[sinkov]

More fun and games next week army, they dislike footballers getting on their knees in Poland even more than they do in Hungary. Our woke media will be going into meltdown.

[ClaretinBudapest]

I know exactly what you mean Swiss, but you were lucky, I was a fireman for 14 years in Burnley and we copped it down Stoneyholme on a regular basis, I then transferred to Nelson and thought I'd escaped this regular racist abuse, but the first shout down Brierfield soon disavowed me of this fanciful idea.

Whilst in Lancashire I went back to check out my places of learning Barden Secondary School, Burnley Grammar School and Habergham High School.
Barden Lane is grim.