Cull?

[gazan]

I'm not very smart sometimes or all times Timmy.

I am wedded to how football WAS played for a hundred years and it was truly based on attack with 5 forwards, two half backs and a centre half and two full backs. We won the world cup in 1966, something we have not done since. Why is that IS the question? Steve Holland was assistant manager of the National Squad but he was sacked by Crewe and a Japanese Team he had signed for for just 3 months and had one win in 11 games. Clubs won't and should not have to employ managers who have only won 3 games in 17 matches Tim. We should easily have made the play offs after the pre Christmas time and so just who is to blame for this poor performance? Every team has injuries.

Bill Nicholson was manager of my second fav team in the 60's and he was the only manager who looked after the team. the club, the fan base ie everything and they were the most successful team at the time. Timmy, there is no way my friend that having more than one manager makes sense as others will agree or disagree and a flippin GK coach? Do me a favour! Its back to whether players are good enough and no coaching in the world will make a naturally gifted player better than he is . In fact, they can and do make players worse as many coaches are just second rate players and managers. United have just paid 20 million for another manager and that was a great success wasn't it. I say again and again, managers should be apointed for no more than 6 months and then taken on for another 6 months and then sacked if they fail and no compensation involved. I'm not here to get a reaction, just to want us to play better and that involved far more strikers than we have. We were more successful when that idea was paramount. We should not be spending money on under 18's in any way.

I was a far better player in my early 20's than I was in my ****s as I was physically stronger and thought more about the game then. There is no way I would have a team with one striker up front. Not in a million years!

You regularly point out that England last won the World Cup in 1966. You also claim that for a hundred years they played with 5 forwards. England won the World Cup with only 3 forwards. Ramsey's "wingless wonders" played a 4-3-3. Prior to that Walter Winter bottom played 4-2-4. The last time England played anything like 5 forwards, they were torn apart by 'Magyar Magic', 6-3 at Wembley and 7-1 in Budapest. There have been lots of teams since, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and (particularly) Italy who have not played with 5 forwards and yet have won the World Cup. How can that be if 5 forwards is best?

[gazan]

Also, if the 5 strikers are just that, strikers, where do they receive the ball from?

[MikeSB]

You regularly point out that England last won the World Cup in 1966. You also claim that for a hundred years they played with 5 forwards. England won the World Cup with only 3 forwards. Ramsey's "wingless wonders" played a 4-3-3. Prior to that Walter Winter bottom played 4-2-4. The last time England played anything like 5 forwards, they were torn apart by 'Magyar Magic', 6-3 at Wembley and 7-1 in Budapest. There have been lots of teams since, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and (particularly) Italy who have not played with 5 forwards and yet have won the World Cup. How can that be if 5 forwards is best?

Nah, we had 5 forwards as all teams did.

Surely you cannot support having one striker up front on his own? How many goals have we scored this season. You must be embarrassed about bringing your friends to the match and getting beat once again. You should be screaming for change from Lee Bell and you are not getting it and will not next season either.

Strikers in the old days, oh forget that silly term, the forwards of yesteryear were able to dribble back then without any coaching , ever heard of George Best and Jimmy Greaves? All we do is pass the ball a thousand times in the match. Did you count how many fouls were committed last Monday? Do players ever learn to play this very easy game without committing a foul?

[MikeSB]

Also, if the 5 strikers are just that, strikers, where do they receive the ball from?

The mid-field as they always did in the old days..Now they pass the ball to each other and back again. Have you ever considered how many direct strikes we have on goal nowadays? Sometimes none! 95 mins of football and no strikes on goal and some players in the PL are on 400,000 pounds a week. They will get the game banned one day and deserve to..

[MikeSB]

England's 1966 World Cup final players..including!


RM 7 Alan Ball
AM 9 Bobby Charlton
LM 16 Martin Peters
CF 10 Geoff Hurst
CF 21 Roger Hunt

You could argue Ball was a midfielder but he scored 180 goals in his career..

Then add Jimmy Greaves who was not in the final team..

A clear statement that playing forwards was the best time and place for football. I played local midfield and scored a hatful of goals. That was
what football was all about back then....Scoring, not defending! Now for Lee Bell its about how many defenders you can select!

You would never get me paying the money they do to watch the rubbish, teams play today! And coaching? hahhhhahhhhhhh

[OzMozz]

“1966 was a World Cup with few goals as the teams began to play much more tactically and defensively. This was exemplified by Alf Ramsey's England as they finished top of Group 1 with only four goals, but having none scored against them.
England's total of eleven goals scored in six games set a new record low for average goals per game scored by a World Cup winning team. The record stood until 1982, when it was surpassed by Italy's 12 goals in seven games.”
Wikipedia disagrees with England having a5 forward attacking team !!!

[gazan]

Yes but you're just using facts!!😉

[OzMozz]

Oh, yes ….. how stupid of me !