O/T Disgrace Cummings

[animallittle3]

Not a great comparable but let's go with it.
If all the past government said the world was flat yet all they showed you was it was round. Then a buffoon comes along and says in 4 years I will show you the world is flat and he does. Would you then vote for him?. He gave you exactly what you wanted so the answer should be simple

In your reply Cayton you said if the Tories threw a decent amount of money at the NHS would be an example of trying to solve a difficult problem with a simple solution .

These days although I'm busy in the garden whilst on furlough it does give you the opportunity to think and reflect a little .

Certainly more time to do it than the cut and thrust of working life .

How's about everyone in the political arena stops pyssing around and starts to become honest on this topic .

Tories refrain from privatisation solves everything and Labour stop defending sometimes the indefensible with the NHS because they brought it in to existence .

How's about we go 50/50 on this and keep it on a not for profit basis but also kick in an NHS tax , not to cover the entire cost but to substantially help it along .

Give it some kind of accountability to the public instead of the vague general taxation .

On top of that if you smoke , take drugs , drink heavily or are obese there's a surcharge to pay if your admittance to the NHS can be proved to be caused by the above .

Why the feck should people who look after themselves pay for those who don't ? .

I'm someone who smoked up until I had two stents having to be put in to my main artery , if the NHS billed me £500 for the procedure I'm at a loss to defend it .

I haven't the answers I'm simply opening up a debate because just throwing tax payers money at it isn't the full story .

[caytonmiller]

In your reply Cayton you said if the Tories threw a decent amount of money at the NHS would be an example of trying to solve a difficult problem with a simple solution .

These days although I'm busy in the garden whilst on furlough it does give you the opportunity to think and reflect a little .

Certainly more time to do it than the cut and thrust of working life .

How's about everyone in the political arena stops pyssing around and starts to become honest on this topic .

Tories refrain from privatisation solves everything and Labour stop defending sometimes the indefensible with the NHS because they brought it in to existence .

How's about we go 50/50 on this and keep it on a not for profit basis but also kick in an NHS tax , not to cover the entire cost but to substantially help it along .

Give it some kind of accountability to the public instead of the vague general taxation .

On top of that if you smoke , take drugs , drink heavily or are obese there's a surcharge to pay if your admittance to the NHS can be proved to be caused by the above .

Why the feck should people who look after themselves pay for those who don't ? .

I'm someone who smoked up until I had two stents having to be put in to my main artery , if the NHS billed me £500 for the procedure I'm at a loss to defend it .

I haven't the answers I'm simply opening up a debate because just throwing tax payers money at it isn't the full story .

I actually said pour sensible money into the NHS. IE like your suggestion.
Blair threw bucket loads of cash at the NHS then kept moving the goal posts until he left office where the NHS was in the same state as he started.

Let's be honest the only way the NHS can prosper is with good infrastructure and a sht load of cash.
Tbh I can't see where the money will come from and the infrastructure is shocking. So maybe Johnson can't sort it.
If he did it would be a pretty impressive achievement though, don't you think?

For me I want this government over the next 4 years to build a stable economy, get the NHS back to something recognisable, like it's intentions. And get Brexit deal close to what we had whilst In Europe but without all the extra bull shiboz.
It would be impressive if the torys managed this in normal times. With covid around it would be near on impossible.
I for one would doff my cap if they achieved it .

Problem is I was brought up like most on here.
"You don't vote Tory scum. Only posh folk vote Tory" so like many I vote labour or I don't vote.
I certainly hope I get to vote in my future for any party that does the job not for a loyalty banner

[animallittle3]

Tories have done very little for me or my family in all the time I've voted. Don't despise the Tories, just won't vote for them.
Don't particularly like Boris or Cummings and think Rishi Sunak and Raab come across much better.
My kids / grandkids were brought up to realise everyone can better themselves and not to sponge off other people, all of them are doing fine.
Didn't vote in December so can't say too much.
Expecting some unpalatable legislation pushed through later on next year

The sooner Keir Starmer gets Labour organized the better, you do need effective opposition regardless who is in Government.

One thing I disagree with animal is about the Tony Blair years.

Starmer's made a good start Frank but making a monkey out of Johnson every Wednesday lunchtime doesn't win elections on its own .

William Hague made Blair look like an idiot in the HOC but got tonked at the election .

Policies and credibility behind them is where it's at .

It shouldn't be that bloody difficult the Tories have had nowt to add since the mid 70's unless you count the helpline for cones on the motorway !!! .

Tony Blair is a decisive one with me , great at winning elections don't get me wrong , he had middle england eating out of his hand .

Should have done better in the heartlands , the Mandelson they have no where else to go anyway Tony was a total lack of respect to the people in towns like ours and in anycase Mandelson got that one wrong .

Now Labour do have to listen and act up here if there's any good to come out of last December's debacle .

Nobody is asking for the world here but the country doesn't end at Watford Gap either .

[Geetarman]

Starmer's made a good start Frank but making a monkey out of Johnson every Wednesday lunchtime doesn't win elections on its own .

William Hague made Blair look like an idiot in the HOC but got tonked at the election .

Policies and credibility behind them is where it's at .

It shouldn't be that bloody difficult the Tories have had nowt to add since the mid 70's unless you count the helpline for cones on the motorway !!! .

Tony Blair is a decisive one with me , great at winning elections don't get me wrong , he had middle england eating out of his hand .

Should have done better in the heartlands , the Mandelson they have no where else to go anyway Tony was a total lack of respect to the people in towns like ours and in anycase Mandelson got that one wrong .

Now Labour do have to listen and act up here if there's any good to come out of last December's debacle .

Nobody is asking for the world here but the country doesn't end at Watford Gap either .

As everyone knows. the universe revolves around Baaaarnsley

[animallittle3]

As everyone knows. the universe revolves around Baaaarnsley

Nar we just have an historically more successful football club but other than that Rovrum and Tarn are two peas in a pod .

[animallittle3]

That's my point frank. They have done very little for you so you kinda hold a grudge against them and don't trust them.
If Johnson did a lot for you frank and even more for your generation too come, surley you would vote for them!

You've got a lot of faith in Johnson Cayton ill give you that .

The only PM whose done anything for the working class in office was actually Thatcher , problem with that was half did very well and the other half were sacrificed to fund it .

I'll leave you to guess which half I was .

Working class people generally do well despite the Tories not because of them in my opinion .

You can generally put it down to this in my opinion .

Labour distribute the wealth more evenly but are cr@p at generating it .

The Tories distribute the wealth less well but are better at creating it .

[caytonmiller]

I'm not sure it's a case of having faith. It's more hope.
We can't keep bumbling our way through life and hope the country pulls in the same direction.
All my voting life the country has been split down the middle. Both major party's have took turns feking It up then we get new labour and Blair. He had the perfect opportunity to move the country forward and feked it up. Then we had Brexit that split the country even more.
Last year's election has given Johnson the chance to achieve what most of us want. A stable economy where we can earn our money. Contribute towards our share of the costs and build our country back to something to be proud of.

As said it's a massive ask bit it's a easy way out not to try

[animallittle3]

I'm not sure it's a case of having faith. It's more hope.
We can't keep bumbling our way through life and hope the country pulls in the same direction.
All my voting life the country has been split down the middle. Both major party's have took turns feking It up then we get new labour and Blair. He had the perfect opportunity to move the country forward and feked it up. Then we had Brexit that split the country even more.
Last year's election has given Johnson the chance to achieve what most of us want. A stable economy where we can earn our money. Contribute towards our share of the costs and build our country back to something to be proud of.

As said it's a massive ask bit it's a easy way out not to try

In an ideal world you'd have it where I'd like it to be Cayton .

The problem is and it's a nemesis for both parties but more so for the Tories .

The Tory Party funders who donate millions of pounds to them to have policies that benefit them .

Low tax , less regulation and none too motivated to chase tax not paid .

You have to factor in that the Tory Party exists to not only protect great wealth but also enhance it .

That's why they absolutely hate inflation so much , inflation kills great wealth .

The trick which to be fair they are remarkably clever at is to get good folks like yourself to vote for them , if you did that is .

I have to admit they are good at it , so good in fact given that 90% of the population aren't so well off by comparison and they win more elections than Labour despite the core fundamentals of why they exist at all .

I ain't knocking it by any means , if you hold great wealth in a massively minority position then it makes sense to protect it from the baying mobs who could take it off you quite easily.

Just my opinion mate .

[caytonmiller]

In an ideal world you'd have it where I'd like it to be Cayton .

The problem is and it's a nemesis for both parties but more so for the Tories .

The Tory Party funders who donate millions of pounds to them to have policies that benefit them .

Low tax , less regulation and none too motivated to chase tax not paid .

You have to factor in that the Tory Party exists to not only protect great wealth but also enhance it .

That's why they absolutely hate inflation so much , inflation kills great wealth .

The trick which to be fair they are remarkably clever at is to get good folks like yourself to vote for them , if you did that is .

I have to admit they are good at it , so good in fact given that 90% of the population aren't so well off by comparison and they win more elections than Labour despite the core fundamentals of why they exist at all .

I ain't knocking it by any means , if you hold great wealth in a massively minority position then it makes sense to protect it from the baying mobs who could take it off you quite easily.

Just my opinion mate .

Your opinion is mostly balanced animal that why I like chatting with you. I usually end up learning something after our chats even of it's just little things like your not a black pudding lover

Btw didn't vote. As mentioned labour or don't bother. Couldn't vote for the dik Corbyn

[caytonmiller]

Same place as they get the cash for everything else. It's Joe blogs or on the Chucky. Wasn't the labour manifest finances proven to be unachievable ?
Will your non trust in politicians stop you voting in the future?