Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Makes me laugh Farage in the defence of hunts said we might aswell ban dog walking as dogs might chase rabbits, deer, sheep etc. It's very different and my message to Nigel is if he is incapable of controlling his dogs then he shouldn't be a dog owner.

AS someone who volunteers on a nature reserve, I spend a lot of time educating visitors as to why dogs are only permitted in certain areas and why especially during February to July whenever they are out in the countryside they should keep them on a lead. But thast not about "banning" them.

[Trickytreesreds]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Zionists.html

[swaledale]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Zionists.html

Words fail me that you quote the Daily fail and belive thier slant on the story. Which suggests the clown is perhaps yourself?

[SithHappens]

Yup, agreeing with that as someone who’s participated in vermin control and seen the impact of it not being carried out (ok decades ago) - disagree with it as a sport, support it as a necessary activity. When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

Ive heard the argument before that if you eat meat you can't be against cruelty to animals, but i disagree.

To suggest you can't be against, fox hunting, trophy hunting, poaching elephants for their ivory, dog fighting, bull fighting, killing cats for fun, strapping a hamster to a firework and so on just because you eat meat is a very poor argument.

[SithHappens]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Zionists.html

Don't know much about him but seems a huge own goal at a time there is so much focus on what people post online.

[swaledale]

Don't know much about him but seems a huge own goal at a time there is so much focus on what people post online.

Its in the Daily Fail, so I wouldn't rely on the slant put on it by that rag, they twist any action into their own agenda and most of what they report is at best a twisted version of whats happened and at worst complete fiction, made up by their right wing lunatic so called journos.

[SithHappens]

Its in the Daily Fail, so I wouldn't rely on the slant put on it by that rag, they twist any action into their own agenda and most of what they report is at best a twisted version of whats happened and at worst complete fiction, made up by their right wing lunatic so called journos.

Looking elsewhere, including the BBC, it does seem to be true. According to the BBC starmer has only just become aware of past tweets and finds them abhorrent.

Id expect some sort of response though.

Do find it a bit rich that the likes of Farage and others are calling starmer out when they have treated someone, who admitted her racism and called for murder, as some sort of modern day hero.

[swaledale]

Looking elsewhere, including the BBC, it does seem to be true. According to the BBC starmer has only just become aware of past tweets and finds them abhorrent.

Id expect some sort of response though.

Do find it a bit rich that the likes of Farage and others are calling starmer out when they have treated someone, who admitted her racism and called for murder, as some sort of modern day hero.

He has said some dubious stuff on twitter (X), but The previous Conservative administration had also lobbied for the activist to be freed and he was granted citizenship in December 2021 through his London-born mother when the party was in power. So its a bit rich the Tories and a Tory/right wing paper making it all about Starmer!

Plus these very same people and the same media are the first to complain when someone tweets or says something awful, as per Connolly, about "free speech" and being cancelled!

[Andy_Faber]

Ive heard the argument before that if you eat meat you can't be against cruelty to animals, but i disagree.

To suggest you can't be against, fox hunting, trophy hunting, poaching elephants for their ivory, dog fighting, bull fighting, killing cats for fun, strapping a hamster to a firework and so on just because you eat meat is a very poor argument.

No I mean the opposite Sith, ALL killing is cruelty, and that doesn?t mean that bloodsports for pleasure aren?t a level up from that. Have you seen the YouTube vid of what happens to male chicks when they are identified as such?

[Geoff Parkstone]

They’re wild animals, GP and yes I know they can make a distressing mess of a hen house, but isn’t it up to the humans who keep them to make them secure?
Either way a farmer/keeper taking a shotgun to get rid of a troublesome fox is one thing…dressing up to cavort en masse around the countryside on horseback while glorifying the killing and tearing apart of an animal is surely another.

I didn't notice any points raised needing an answer but yes every effort should be used to secure hen house against predators, equally every effort should be made to counter attack against the predator - shooting being the most "humane" and hunting the least acceptable. Some of the associated rituals of glorifying the kill (eg first blooding) are reprehensible.

There is a need for countryside management and maintaining a balance, but it needs to be done proportionately and not for "fun" - which in any event is not an efficient process anyway