Derek McInnes

[rico94]

IF we finish 4th & don't reach the cup final we will not qualify for Europe as the other European place will go to the beaten finalists & not the 4th placed team.

The 4th placed team only gets in if all the other teams in the cup-final have already qualified for Europe

No it isn't, they changed the rules in 2014 so you only qualify for Europe if you win the cup.

It is possible for the Scottish Cup winners to have already qualified for a UEFA competition through their league ranking in the Scottish Premiership. In this scenario the qualification spot passes to the highest ranked team in that competition not yet qualified, rather than to the Scottish Cup runners-up.Until 2014, the Scottish Cup runners-up qualified for European competition if the cup winners had also qualified for the Champions League.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti..._qualification

[donsdaft]

You'll get no argument from me about the appaling set up of European competitions nowadays.

It's still great however.

Close season would be absolute s'hite without reading about the diverse ways folk are getting to the early Euro matches.
Spending a fortune finding a ground the size of Spain Park but in Eastern Romania or wherever.

It's exiting, it's a change from Ross County and there's always a chance...........

[Aldo1983]

You'll get no argument from me about the appaling set up of European competitions nowadays.

It's still great however.

Close season would be absolute s'hite without reading about the diverse ways folk are getting to the early Euro matches.
Spending a fortune finding a ground the size of Spain Park but in Eastern Romania or wherever.

It's exiting, it's a change from Ross County and there's always a chance...........

That sums it up for me. It's absolutely rigged but a change of scenery is always welcome. Playing teams 5/6 times is boring as ****.

[ragnarok]

Why is Lennon suddenly regarded as a better manager than DM? You could argue that he's been fortunate to have taken over at Hibs at the right time in the same way that DM inherited the core of a decent side from Brown. He achieved the bare minimum of expectations at Celtic and flopped at Bolton.

I wouldn't want him anywhere near the AFC job in any case. The guy was a total arse as a player and is a total arse as a manager.

[RedStarTorphins]

Why is Lennon suddenly regarded as a better manager than DM? You could argue that he's been fortunate to have taken over at Hibs at the right time in the same way that DM inherited the core of a decent side from Brown. He achieved the bare minimum of expectations at Celtic and flopped at Bolton.

I wouldn't want him anywhere near the AFC job in any case. The guy was a total arse as a player and is a total arse as a manager.

I suspect a lot of it is to do with the way his team plays against the two sets of scum from Glasgow.
His record against them both is good.
Compare it to our “bend over & take it up the sh1ter” attitude which is how we are set up by our manager.

[afc1903mad]

I suspect a lot of it is to do with the way his team plays against the two sets of scum from Glasgow.
His record against them both is good.
Compare it to our “bend over & take it up the sh1ter” attitude which is how we are set up by our manager.

Yeah, so lets go for a manager that raises their game against the gruesome twosome but get papped out of the Scottish cup in the 4th round and fail to beat the other teams in the league as well as we do

[andoplzcumbak]

I know two that were there last night. Total part timers. True Dons my hole

I was gonna comment similar.

You kinda ruined your post with the 'TRUE DONS' comment mate.

[Aldo1983]

It is a bigger and better achievement. It's also been easier to win the last few years.

[DollyLongstaffe]

Scottish Cup is better than the League Cup in every way. It has been won by footballing greats like Yogi Hughes, Alan Thtubbs & Tommy Wrong since McInnes came to Aberdeen.

McInnes having won the league cup once, is in with the likes of Danny Lennon, Kenny Shiels & Jim McIntyre. Parkred is starting to look like a bit of a fluke

It's of course interesting that these teams/managers have won cups, but I would draw more or less the opposite inference.

Celtic have been by a wide margin the best team in Scotland in the past 7 seasons. During that time they've won the league cup and the Scottish cup 3 times each, meaning that other clubs have in total won one of the cups 8 times. Teams winning one or other of the trophies include: ICT, St Johnstone, Ross County, St Mirren and Kilmarnock.

What that points up is that the relationship between the quality of a team and its chances of winning a cup are much more tenuous than received wisdom suggests. Even if you have the best team in the competition by a country mile, you are far from certain to win the trophy: Celtic, paying their players 6 times as much as most of their competitors and winning leagues in a canter, have failed to win these trophies around 60% of the time.

So what are the chances of winning a cup with the second best team in the competition? The counter intuitive answer is, actually, quite poor. If the elements of luck and randomness in a one-off knockout competition mean Celtic can only prevail against much weaker opposition 40% of the time, then the next best team, with at best a much more marginal superiority, won't get anywhere close to that.

The results bear that out: in years where Celtic didn't win the trophy, the list of winners looks very random - because it is very random. It would be hard to argue that Ross, or ICT or St Mirren were even close to being one of the the strongest teams in these competitions, or that they or their managers had a special quality that meant they 'deserved' to win the cup that year. People know that winning a cup doesn't make you a good manager. How long on average, for example, do these cup-winning managers stay in the job, even with the glory of a cup win at a minnow club on their CVs?

That's one reason it's tough for managers of our bigger provincial clubs. You can't win the league, so the only real target you have are the cups. But knockout cup competitions are a lottery. All you can do is build as good a side as you can reasonably be expected to with the resources available, and hope you get the rub of the green in the cups. Because you are going to be judged by something you have much less control over than fans think.

Deek's record in cups - a win, finals, semis etc - is actually very good. But cup competitions are not a very good way of assessing a manager.

[Stavrum]

Deek's record in cups - a win, finals, semis etc - is actually very good. But cup competitions are not a very good way of assessing a manager.

Didn't want to quote the while thing again, but that was a brilliant post. Agree with what everything you said there