O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Old_pie]

That Klopp has come out calling for mandatory jabs amid all of tis uncertainty is unreal, but then again he is German.

What do you mean by that?

[upthemaggies]

What do you mean by that?

I'm a big fan of the Azerbaijani writer Chinghiz Abdullaev.

https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoo...ague-comments/

[Maggie's Farm]

I'm a big fan of the Azerbaijani writer Chinghiz Abdullaev.

https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoo...ague-comments/

sad attention seeker pissing in the wind, imo

[Old_pie]

I'm a big fan of the Azerbaijani writer Chinghiz Abdullaev.

https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoo...ague-comments/

So you support the view that the German Klopp behaves like a Nazi?

[applepie2]

I'm sorry, but if you don't accept that this completely new type of "vaccine" is an experiment, given it's been granted an emergency licence (on the debatable condition there is no effective treatment out there) to circumvent the proper testing procedure and the fact the law has been changed so that companies producing it are not liable no matter how much damage this vaccine may cause, then I'm going to have to conclude that you're just wilfully pretending otherwise as a coping mechanism having been persuaded to sign up for it.

You'd normally be looking at 5 years minimum, probably a decade for something as radical a departure from the normal type of vaccine as this to declare it safe enough to recommend for use (not force). Obviously, there comes a point where you need to test on humans and for that, you need volunteers and so you offer fit and healthy adults a proper cash reward incentive, not granting them basic human rights with the threat of taking those rights away if they don't "volunteer".

It doesn’t help with these polarised arguments that most people are very imprecise with language. The AZ vaccine, along with some others, is not a new type of vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine, again along with some others, is a new type of vaccine, mRNA. The research into mRNA vaccines started in 1987, though the potential wasn’t fully realised at first.

[upthemaggies]

It doesn’t help with these polarised arguments that most people are very imprecise with language. The AZ vaccine, along with some others, is not a new type of vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine, again along with some others, is a new type of vaccine, mRNA. The research into mRNA vaccines started in 1987, though the potential wasn’t fully realised at first.

This is true but the AZ was causing more side-effects. Longer term that might not be the case, we can't say yet.

I've seen people suggest that mixing them up, ie people having different company boosters to their first two, will encourage mutations, but I've not looked into that. Probably something else that would need time to assess.

[drillerpie]

If people were being coerced into being given the virus though an injection or sitting in a room full of the virus until they came down with it, then yes.. But as we are, people have the option of making their own risk assessment on that front, they can take precautions, you can mask up on your own outside in the middle of nowhere, avoid socialising, stay home etc, or take the jab if you believe it works.

We don't know what the long term effects of Covid are. For those that have had it, we're now being asked to accept unknown long terms side effects of both Covid and the vax, which is not a reasonable request.

Ok so genuine question: what name would you give to people online who spend a lot of time trying to dissuade others from having the vaccine (say for example through unscrupulous use of unreliable data) or encouraging them to obtain natural immunity, even though we don't know the long term effects of getting infected, making it essentially an experiment-in-progress at this point?

[upthemaggies]

Ok so genuine question: what name would you give to people online who spend a lot of time trying to dissuade others from having the vaccine (say for example through unscrupulous use of unreliable data) or encouraging them to obtain natural immunity, even though we don't know the long term effects of getting infected, making it essentially an experiment-in-progress at this point?

There's a very big difference between people you don't know online telling you what they think you should be doing and the government/media/police telling you what you should do with the option of varying degrees of force, with Klopp encouraging the latter to go to the extreme. There's a clear distinction between the two sides on the question of freedom and individuals taking responsibility for their own health. To describe somebody as a Nazi for basically supporting personal choice and less restriction on freedom would be absurd.

[Maggie's Farm]

... the cdc on mrna:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

[bule1]

The selective faith in weblinks that support peoples preconceived beliefs and dismissing of those that do not beggars belief.