Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Your wasting your effort RA, I reached the conclusion long ago that TTR is incapable of original thought or intelligent analysis. Which is why I have him on ignore. I mean his second sentence above doesn't make sense for a start.

For me, any person who votes for Reform, or considers Farage to be a viable Prime Minister, is either incapable of critical reasoning or has lost the ability to do so.

If one just looks at who is funding Reform, crypto shysters, fossil fuel companies, hedge funders and the like, then the first question that needs to be asked is why?

If one looks at Farage, apart from his any contradictory statements, his praise of Truss's budget, his approval at the time of Mandelson's appointment as US Ambassador, his numerous side jobs earning him £1 million a year in addition to his role as an MP, which all the evidence suggests he isn't fulfilling, hardly spending time in Clacton or indeed the House of Commons then even a half sentient person would perhaps think mm, is this guy a serious politician and is he interested in the life of the average voter.

Anyway, there is 3 years before a GE and a lot can happen in that time and whilst Labour might not be popular, only a fool would think a large proportion of the voting public will vote for Reform.

Not the ignore crap again 🤣

But the pols keep lying to you then? You said they would do nothing and vanish.
You was wrong, AGAIN

No RA they will not win the next election. They won?t win another one for a generation after what this lot have done

[ramAnag]

Not the ignore crap again ��

But the pols keep lying to you then? You said they would do nothing and vanish.
You was wrong, AGAIN

No RA they will not win the next election. They won?t win another one for a generation after what this lot have done

It wasn’t me who said they would. I don’t know and merely pointed out that three and a half years is a very long time in politics.

I know I’m wasting my time but look at it this way. Approaching a decade ago you lot won the narrowest of victories in the Brexit referendum but did little in the 2019 GE when Farage didn’t even stand - having missed out on seven consecutive occasions - and Johnson humbled Corbyn’s Labour by winning a very comfortable and large majority.
Johnson lasted as PM for less than three years before resigning in disgrace paving the way for Labour to win with an enormous majority less than two years after Johnson’s departure at which point Farage became an MP for the first time, at the eighth attempt.

Given those facts I find it very difficult to predict what may or may not happen in another three years or so. The Mandelson situation represents a very serious error of judgement. Beyond that I’m not sure what it is about Starmer’s behaviour you find so unforgivable.

[SithHappens]

.Will you be contacting everyone of them, to tell them that your version of politics is correct? ��

I think he's going to ask Patricia Clegg to do it.🤣🤣

[SithHappens]

Labour will win the next GE with a vastly reduced majority.

[ramAnag]

Labour will win the next GE with a vastly reduced majority.

Thanks Sithtradamus.
You may be right, but that GE is maybe three and a half years away.
Just remember that about the same length of time ago a certain Boris Johnson was still PM with a huge Tory majority.
The political world is a very volatile place. God only knows what the next three years might bring.

[Andy_Faber]

The "Good Germans" in this case .

Thanks but your response, crystalised by the above extract, strengthens my point - you are using it to coralle together anyone who doesn’t stand up for your series of personal beliefs/causes - as such, I might have a completely different set of beliefs/causes, so might everyone here, it’s purely subjective. Maybe it’s a subset of your ‘idiots’, maybe not. In the present day it can only apply directly, as opposed to by analogy, to the rising turning of deaf ears to antisemitic rhetoric. NB I know no Jews, its a general point

[swaledale]

Thanks but your response, crystalised by the above extract, strengthens my point - you are using it to coralle together anyone who doesn’t stand up for your series of personal beliefs/causes - as such, I might have a completely different set of beliefs/causes, so might everyone here, it’s purely subjective. Maybe it’s a subset of your ‘idiots’, maybe not. In the present day it can only apply directly, as opposed to by analogy, to the rising turning of deaf ears to antisemitic rhetoric. NB I know no Jews, its a general point

Mm, thought about this and I wouldn't disagree that my interpretation of the phrase "Good Germans" is influenced by my views, of course it is, but the principle of the phrase and the way I use it, is best summed up by this below, which I freely admit contains material purloined from the internet.

A self-applied term of genteel self-delusion used to describe those members of the German populace who, during the Nazi era, prided themselves on being apolitical, law-abiding, and “decent” — while living within walking distance of genocidal horror.
The “Good German” was always just a little too busy to notice the stench of burning human hair.

They perfected the art of averting their gaze — stepping politely over the shoes left behind on the train platform, whistling past the synagogue on fire, pretending not to see the child in the attic window with the yellow star sewn crooked on their chest.

They paid their taxes.
They made their beds.
They buttered sandwiches for SS officers on their way to mass executions.
They did not protest.
They did not inquire.
They did not see — because seeing might require doing, and doing might jeopardize their enjoyment of life.

To be a “Good German” was to be the sort of person who believed that decency could be preserved in isolation from justice — the kind of coward who, when history cracked open and screamed, pressed their fingers in their ears and complimented the Fuehrers punctuality.


Modern Collaborator (contemporary usage)

Someone willing to sacrifice the rest of humanity’s future in exchange for a few more clicks, a little more money, a peaceful life or the personal thrill of not being the first to burn.

Often found in corporate boardrooms, government committees, residents associations, media owners and tech-sector “ethics panels.”

The modern Good German is the executive who greenlights surveillance programs with a smile and a clever euphemism, the voter who shrugs at fascism because the stock market’s up, the parent who teaches their children that climate change is “a hoax” while buying flood insurance behind closed doors.

They are the kind of person who will sign your deportation orders in blue ink and still hold the elevator for you.
They are polite.
They are quiet.
They are dangerous.
And they will absolutely be the last to admit they were ever complicit, even as they sweep the ashes from their porch.


Your last point about antisemetism does I feel fails to address that ANY kind of religous discrimination or attacks should be condemned outright. This should apply to Jews and Muslims in equal measure. I don't believe there is a rise in deaf ears towards antisemetism any more than there is towards Islamaphobia. Do any of us say or do enough when witnessing an incident where someone is being harassed, threatened, insulted or assaulted or where offensive language is used that should be considered unacceptable in a civilised society?

But in anycase it is not comparable with allowing a partiuclar group fundamentally change the nature of a democratic state without saying or doing anything to counter what is happening.

I would be more sympathetic to those Jews who justifiably complain about increasing incidents of antisemtism, if they also recognised that the actions of Israel in Gaza and its annexation of the West Bank and treatment of Palestinians over decades also been disgraceful. I do happen to know a a few of Jews and not surprisngly their views vary, one I know is very angry at the way Israel has conducted itself, another is unapologetic saying it has no choice.

[Andy_Faber]

Thanks Sithtradamus.
You may be right, but that GE is maybe three and a half years away.
Just remember that about the same length of time ago a certain Boris Johnson was still PM with a huge Tory majority.
The political world is a very volatile place. God only knows what the next three years might bring.

You may recall early 2024 I said the conservative administration had the seedy feel to it of the pre-97 Major admin, I am amazed that the current HMG are being dragged into the same sleazepit, albeit up to their knees not their necks. They almost need a ?bring out your dead? period to reach a nadir, if any further dirt (of any sort) leaks out slowly, they are toast - just IMO

[ramAnag]

You may recall early 2024 I said the conservative administration had the seedy feel to it of the pre-97 Major admin, I am amazed that the current HMG are being dragged into the same sleazepit, albeit up to their knees not their necks. They almost need a ?bring out your dead? period to reach a nadir, if any further dirt (of any sort) leaks out slowly, they are toast - just IMO

Take your point and I agree Labour - and Starmer in particular - can ill afford any more sleaze/dirt to emerge.
I also think though that a crucial difference is that the sleaze surrounding the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Cummings, Williamson and Zahawi etc was first hand and, at the time, current.
Where Starmer is concerned he has done nothing wrong, other than make a naive error of judgement. In itself that is concerning - no escaping that - but the wrongdoing has been on the part of Mandelson and is, largely, historical.

[SithHappens]

Interesting Reform treasurer Nick Candy appears to have remained in contact with Epstein post conviction but Reform seem to be getting another bye in this one.