Is it justice or scapegoat for the 96?

[Bear DCFC]

Sorry to anyone I've offended. I just feel there are bigger issues in the world. Yes the police are wrong...and they'll get whats coming to them, but there are other tragedies which don't have as much coverage. Personally speaking (and i understand this is extremely emotive) if we're gonna make a song and dance about the Hillsborough disaster, then we should revisit every other football stadium disaster.

It's not going to happen is it?

[SuperDerbySuperRams]

Sorry to anyone I've offended. I just feel there are bigger issues in the world. Yes the police are wrong...and they'll get whats coming to them, but there are other tragedies which don't have as much coverage. Personally speaking (and i understand this is extremely emotive) if we're gonna make a song and dance about the Hillsborough disaster, then we should revisit every other football stadium disaster.

It's not going to happen is it?

Heysel, Valley parade and the ibrox disaster do have closer though! People have been arrested, the causes have been released, and the families can attempt to get on with their lives. Once the same happens for the families of the 96, they to can continue with their lives

[Mr_Luxor]

Sorry to anyone I've offended. I just feel there are bigger issues in the world.

I'm not sure that there ARE many bigger issues than police lying to and conning the public tbh

If they can lie about 96 deaths, what else can they lie about?

[blackandwhite56]

Sorry to anyone I've offended. I just feel there are bigger issues in the world. Yes the police are wrong...and they'll get whats coming to them, but there are other tragedies which don't have as much coverage. Personally speaking (and i understand this is extremely emotive) if we're gonna make a song and dance about the Hillsborough disaster, then we should revisit every other football stadium disaster.

It's not going to happen is it?

Your first post in this thread was disgusting.

Do you not get it that there ARE commemorations about other disasters, they are not forgotten about.
There was justice of a sort about Hysel since Liverpool supporters went to prison though even the article you linked to makes it clear that blame was not just attributed to Liverpool supporters.

The reason the Hillsborough events are still high profile is that the truth is not yet out and it has taken so long for the police corruption to be expose

[Trickytreesreds]

As someone who was there that awful day, I actually thought I may never attend another football match again.
So, what changed my mind?
After lots of thoughts, it dawned on me that disasters occur due to a conjunction of events at the same time. Some inevitable, some very random.
Add them up-
Hillsborough football ground. Unfit for purpose.
Fencing rules/locked gates.
Stewarding
Policing( or lack of sensible policing. It isn't just about stopping fights).
Ancient procedures/ lack of flexibility.
Rubbish chains of command
Too many fans arriving at once and being allowed to go where they wanted.
Shocking Health and Safety neglect

I do agree, it's time to move on. However, Health and Safety executives can prosecute anyone and so they should.
As for the police, well this is Thatchers army we are talking about. The law doesn't apply to them and their whiter than white image.
Sackings/pensions stripped/ trials should have followed and case closed.

[thederbyram]

[quote="Trickytreesreds"]As someone who was there that awful day, I actually thought I may never attend another football match again.
So, what changed my mind?
After lots of thoughts, it dawned on me that disasters occur due to a conjunction of events at the same time. Some inevitable, some very random.
Add them up-
Hillsborough football ground. Unfit for purpose.
Fencing rules/locked gates.
Stewarding
Policing( or lack of sensible policing. It isn't just about stopping fights).
Ancient procedures/ lack of flexibility.
Rubbish chains of command
Too many fans arriving at once and being allowed to go where they wanted.
Shocking Health and Safety neglect

I do agree, it's time to move on. However, Health and Safety executives can prosecute anyone and so they should.
As for the police, well this is Thatchers army we are talking about. The law doesn't apply to them and their whiter than white image.
Sackings/pensions stripped/ trials should have followed and case

[Fletch_11]

[quote="Trickytreesreds"]As someone who was there that awful day, I actually thought I may never attend another football match again.
So, what changed my mind?
After lots of thoughts, it dawned on me that disasters occur due to a conjunction of events at the same time. Some inevitable, some very random.
Add them up-
Hillsborough football ground. Unfit for purpose.
Fencing rules/locked gates.
Stewarding
Policing( or lack of sensible policing. It isn't just about stopping fights).
Ancient procedures/ lack of flexibility.
Rubbish chains of command
Too many fans arriving at once and being allowed to go where they wanted.
Shocking Health and Safety neglect

I do agree, it's time to move on. However, Health and Safety executives can prosecute anyone and so they should.
As for the police, well this is Thatchers army we are talking about. The law doesn't apply to them and their whiter than white image.
Sackings/pensions stripped/ trials should have followed and case

[Fletch_11]

[quote="thederbyram"]As someone who was there that awful day, I actually thought I may never attend another football match again.
So, what changed my mind?
After lots of thoughts, it dawned on me that disasters occur due to a conjunction of events at the same time. Some inevitable, some very random.
Add them up-
Hillsborough football ground. Unfit for purpose.
Fencing rules/locked gates.
Stewarding
Policing( or lack of sensible policing. It isn't just about stopping fights).
Ancient procedures/ lack of flexibility.
Rubbish chains of command
Too many fans arriving at once and being allowed to go where they wanted.
Shocking Health and Safety neglect

I do agree, it's time to move on. However, Health and Safety executives can prosecute anyone and so they should.
As for the police, well this is Thatchers army we are talking about. The law doesn't apply to them and their whiter than white image.
Sackings/pensio

[Rattea]

Don't worry to the poster above this is a discussion board and as such people learn from discussing. So why work the thread be closed. You have two or three idiots on the thread with personal agendas havin digs at various posters. I think most people can see for the interest and deep discussion that this is a genuine thread for all to comment and learn from.

Let me throw something else into the mix tho. I agree that te cover up and lies should be made official what happened. And those who did that should be punished for the dishonesty and the lies. But not for the deaths. That's a seperate issue.

But if i were a relative of a derby fan who had died in such circumstances I would want those that turned up and created the problem where there would have been one without them held accountable. There are many on record now thinking it's ok to admit they turned up without a ticket. I would want them punished.

1. This isn't an isolated incident. People have mentioned a few years before a

[roger_ramjet]

Quite right Rat. There are many causes of the tragedy but the police cover up and subsequent actions are not a CAUSE. It is a separate issue that needs investigation, analysis and retribution if appropriate but is irrelevant to why it happened: and therefore the pursuit of "justice" for the dead. They would have died regardless of the subsequent cover up etc

Blame for the cause can be shared by the following (and maybe more):

The FA
Hillsborough health and safety regulators
The fans
The police and their planning
The stewards