Racial and Religious Hatred

[Ellis_D]

All muslim men do that don't they!
No non- muslim men ever abuse their wives or partners in similar ways!
How many Muslim men do you actually know or ever talk to?
Amanda Spencer link below

See, there you go again, trying to twist what I said. I will copy and paste it again for you, maybe this time you will get it through to your thick head:

"Would I want any of my daughters marrying an Asian or a Muslim? That is different. If he was a westernised Muslim, who would treat her well, then yes. If he was a backward Muslim that wanted to beat her, make her walk ten feet behind him, not allow her to wear make up or have male friends, and make her wear a burkha, then NO, I would not want her to marry him and I would do EVERYTHING in my power to try to stop it."

Where did I say that all Muslim men do it? Yet again, another of your ilk making up lies to try and make someone seem racist.

Of course it would be exactly the same for any ma

[fivetide]

It would be a sad state if every time an Asian lad is any way friendly with a white girl, then he is under grave suspicion.

If he's 40 and she's 12 he should be under suspicion!!!

We do need to see arrests, charges and convictions over this, but is there a danger that the police and authorities, in future, concentrate on men from 'Pakistani heritage' as regards *** abuse, and those doing it who don't fit that profile, more likely to get away with it.

I assume you watched last night's programme on the dirty secrets of Peshawar? 4OD below if you want to educate yourself on the abuse the people of Pakistan dish out to their own. Lovely interview with one chap:

"How many children have you raped?"

"11 or 12"

And he's no doubt eligible to come here once a marriage is arranged for him.

I suggest you watch it brass. It is endemic. Then you might stop hand wringing.

Series 1 Episode 1 11pm Mon 1 September 2014C4
DURA

[Ellis_D]

Nope neither would I be happy with a violent wife abusing Christian man..theres plenty about.

You say you have a muslim friend..one "westernised" one as you put it.

Heres a question for you. Would you be happy for him to read all the stuff you have put on this web site recently.

Have a look through. i dont want you to lose your pal...

hmm I am stirring racial hatred I see. Which race did I say we should hate? Anyway that reminds me,I dont think you have completed that little task i set you. Go on have a go at it.

I have addressed that in the last post. You never asked me about Christians, you specifically asked me about Muslims, so that was what I answered too.

And yes, Mohammed sees everything I put on Facebook and agrees with it a lot of the things I say, or ignores them. Whether he disagrees or not, I don't know. But I have certainly never used and racially degorotary terms on here or there, and I have never said I hate

[EmpireStateOfMind]

We should teach all children to hate all religions, at least until any of the variety of deities shows up to actually state their views on the world.

If not hate then, see them along the lines of Zeus and Hercules - born of a virgin to a sky God etc.

[John2]

[quote="Ellis_D"

"Yes if he didn't abuse her or treat her badly."[/quote]

Its interesting in a debate about the way women are viewed and objectified by a culture that by your framing of this question you appear to view an adult woman as your possession who needs your permission about various choices in her life, rather than having the freedom to make her own. That you apply this solely to daughters is misogynistic.

Sorry if this seems petty, but it is a serious point. We're being told on here that if members of a community are viewing women as objects it is the duty of others in that community to raise awareness and address the issue, so that's exactly what I'm doing.

[Chris_147]

Calling someone who questions the Pakistani community a racist or even worse as i have seen on this messageboard in the recent weeks a 'nazi' is just as disgusting as the racism you're trying to tar that person with.

Now I am in no way suggesting the whole of the Pakistani or Muslim community is involved in this so I would like to not receive the same vile and offensive allegations but it does seem this is prevalent amongst Asian men in Northern towns.

To say this is NOT religious or racial hatred,it should NOT be 'sailing close to the law' and it should NOT be censored from any platform it is expressed on.

The suppression of free speech in this modern society is half of the problem and to try and try the same smear tactics on a message board against anyone with alternative views than you is not only disappointing but frankly disgusting to witness as a relatively new poster.

[Ellis_D]

Its interesting in a debate about the way women are viewed and objectified by a culture that by your framing of this question you appear to view an adult woman as your possession who needs your permission about various choices in her life, rather than having the freedom to make her own. That you apply this solely to daughters is misogynistic.

Sorry if this seems petty, but it is a serious point. We're being told on here that if members of a community are viewing women as objects it is the duty of others in that community to raise awareness and address the issue, so that's exactly what I'm doing.

Head agsinst a brick wall.

Absolutely pointless to again debate with you, but here goes.

You can clearly see by this post that I have no sons:

"If I had a son I would have no problem at all wi

[Ellis_D]

For me religion and race should be kept totally separate. Race cannot be changed, religion for a lot of people is a choice and should be for all people. Religion is an obvious form of control and forms of control like these should be fought against IMHO.

Religion is so easily disproven and proves how easily brainwashed people are. Most religions are equally as potentially dangerous, they all get twisted (see Jonestown and the like) Islam is just the most dangerous at this point in time.

Religion SHOULD be a choice for all, but if you are a Muslim who leaves Islam for another religion, or for no religon - apostasy - you are sentenced to death under Islamic law in many, many Islamic countries. I'd love to see what the liberals have to say about that...[/quote]

I notice none of you have had anything to say about apostasy, what a surprise...

[Ellis_D]

Calling someone who questions the Pakistani community a racist or even worse as i have seen on this messageboard in the recent weeks a 'nazi' is just as disgusting as the racism you're trying to tar that person with.

Now I am in no way suggesting the whole of the Pakistani or Muslim community is involved in this so I would like to not receive the same vile and offensive allegations but it does seem this is prevalent amongst Asian men in Northern towns.

To say this is NOT religious or racial hatred,it should NOT be 'sailing close to the law' and it should NOT be censored from any platform it is expressed on.

The suppression of free speech in this modern society is half of the problem and to try and try the same smear tactics on a message board against anyone with alternative views than you is not only disappointing but frankly disgusting to witness as a relatively new poster.

Racist!

In all seriousness, there are people on he

[EmpireStateOfMind]

Its more important to keep religion and the law as separate items.

The problem is that people seek answers in the Qur'an interpreted by Imams. The law should be applied in the same way to all irrespective of your religious or none beliefs.

You are bound to favour your own and disadvantage any community of people who aren't in the same club, made worse by ignorance and extremism and literal interpretation of stories aimed at the ancient world and its inhabitants.