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[triz]

I wonder who bought up the idea that we live in a free country. I don't think we have ever been or ever will. From the times of Roman slavery to Anglo-Saxon feudal serfdom and later the Roman Catholic Inquisition we've always been under someone's thumb. Even the right to graze livestock on common land was taken away by the Enclosures Act and the Highland Clearances. Most people have three options, wage slavery making more money for the rich or being cannon fodder fighting the rich man's wars, and of course if you don't like that,starving to death.

Bloody hell Awks a half sensible post - of course it all depends upon what one measn by "free"!!!

As a rue I avoid political debate but one can't help feeling there is a whiff of 1930's germany - times are hard lets find some sector of the population to blame - funny how its never those who came by their wealth by dubious means over the cen

[triz]

I love it how people like awks who don't have a clue what they're on about think it's so simple to 'collect avoidance tax'.

this is something I know a fair bit about and believe me, it's not easy because of very smart lawyers and accountants. The current government introduced something called 'accelerated payments' recently which is by far the biggest measure any government has taken in recent times to stop tax avoidance on small companies and directors. obviously huge multinationals is a different ball game.

it a bit like taxing at 50%, there is a fine line between taxing to generate more revenue, and taxing inefficiently but either way it isn't simple to get past lawyers etc.

Quite right it is difficult. Much easier to blame the poor and those on welfare or even immigrants. If corporations (dave and nigals old school mates that is) paid there fair share then we'd be ok economically but they don't want to do that so let's fill the

[Stringer_Bell]

Oh great left wing bigotry. France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind. Plenty of theocratic Islamic society's around the world have far more in common with 1930s Germany than people who vote UKIP, 1) because a lot of Muslims actually want to kill Jews, along with homo***uals and apostates and 2) because having reservations about immigration having negative effects on the precise ways in which our society is not reminiscent of 1930s Germany is the total antithesis of nazism.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

[clough08]

France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

We are nowhere near being Islamic - we're fighting a semi war against the extreme elements.
And so what if 2 Zimbabweans are anti-gay - do we assume they are all a lost cause - and all foreigners with them? We just need to impose sensible border controls and Farage goes away.

[Trickytreesreds]

France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

We are nowhere near being Islamic - we're fighting a semi war against the extreme elements.
And so what if 2 Zimbabweans are anti-gay - do we assume they are all a lost cause - and all foreigners with them? We just need to impose sensible border controls and Farage goes away.[/quote]

Yes and No.
The UKIP surge is also about the interference of the EUSSR.
They are determined to have a United Europe under one banner. Therefore, how can you have

[Stringer_Bell]

France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

We are nowhere near being Islamic - we're fighting a semi war against the extreme elements.
And so what if 2 Zimbabweans are anti-gay - do we assume they are all a lost cause - and all foreigners with them? We just need to impose sensible border controls and Farage goes away.[/quote]

No you don't suggest all Zimbabweans are a lost cause. What you do is you say there is a statistical overrepresentation of anti-homo***uality amongst Zimbabweans,

[Stringer_Bell]

Regarding Islam, Muslims are procreating at a faster rate than the indigenous populations in many European countries. One study suggests this country will be predominantly Islamic by 2050. That study is probably exaggerating but even conservative estimates suggest the Muslim population will be around 10% by 2030 and still increasing thereafter. This also, does not take further immigration into account, which would probably happen under any other government than a UKIP one. France is predicted to have 40% muslim population by 2030. But it's fine. They don't want shariah law. And they don't participate in 'taqiyya' either - the art of lying to non-Muslims to further the Islamic cause.

When you say we are fighting against a minority, would the 78%, yes 78%! of British Muslims who believed the Danish cartoonist should have been prosecuted be part of that minority? Or perhaps the 75% who believe women should wear the veil lest Muslim men might not be able to control their urge to rape them

[dcfcdavecov]

Ah, the good old polls that are never right.

I've never known a poll that was. They are too open to give a correct assessment.

Problem with UKIP is that they couldn't run a country.

The majority would want out of Europe, we'd leave and then go bust.

The best thing to happen imo, is let them get a few seats to keep the others on their toes about certain subjects. But me to vote for them? No thanks.

There was a poll asking young male Muslims in this country if they would fight to protect other Muslims in Syria etc. Most said they would...but only when asked in front of other male Muslims.

You can never trust a poll. The polls for Scottish Independence were great. Some even asked 750 people in one area. Proper poll that.

[Akwesasne]

I love it how people like awks who don't have a clue what they're on about think it's so simple to 'collect avoidance tax'.

this is something I know a fair bit about and believe me, it's not easy because of very smart lawyers and accountants. The current government introduced something called 'accelerated payments' recently which is by far the biggest measure any government has taken in recent times to stop tax avoidance on small companies and directors. obviously huge multinationals is a different ball game.

it a bit like taxing at 50%, there is a fine line between taxing to generate more revenue, and taxing inefficiently but either way it isn't simple to get past lawyers etc.

It's just a question of introducing smart laws to outsmart the smart

[clactonram]

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