The New Trump Thread

[naetaebashersallowed]

He already has the car manufacturers stopping their plans around exporting jobs to Mexico. More will follow as they come to realise that it does not make economic sense to do so. Mexico will be able to compete but not because they pay their workers a fraction of the US minimum wage.

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It is not all black and white regarding jobs going out of the US.
If you take the car companies that manufacture cars in Mexico, obviously labour costs in Mexico are cheaper than the US however it was mentioned that Chevrolet made the Cruz version of their car in Mexico because the Mexicans had negotiated deals with around 50 countries and the US only had deals with around 20 countries.

Chevy manufactured their larger vehicles for the home market in the US and smaller cars like the Cruz would more likely be exported so they are made in Mexico.

[Getintaethem]

It is not all black and white regarding jobs going out of the US.
If you take the car companies that manufacture cars in Mexico, obviously labour costs in Mexico are cheaper than the US however it was mentioned that Chevrolet made the Cruz version of their car in Mexico because the Mexicans had negotiated deals with around 50 countries and the US only had deals with around 20 countries.

Chevy manufactured their larger vehicles for the home market in the US and smaller cars like the Cruz would more likely be exported so they are made in Mexico.

I agree with this. However, the US still imported over 2M vehicles from Mexico and Canada last year from US car companies. The ease of doing business in other countries outside the US is also a factor. For example, (over and above trade deals), the regulations around manufacturing in the US are far higher than in Mexico. Hence why Trump is going to reduce unnecessary regulations by 75% which increases costs of manufacturing in the US, add new trade deals or re-negotiate existing ones and stop currency manipulation by other countries to make their products manufactured there (i.e. protectionism even when countries have free trade deals with the U.S.) artificially cheaper than US built products.

[Stupie82]

Worrying....

America's immigration system has been plunged into chaos and confusion in the wake of strict travel restrictions on people from seven Muslim-majority nations.

President Trump's sweeping executive order for "extreme vetting" means no visas are being issued for 90 days to migrants or visitors from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

But the ban is also affecting permanent, legal US citizens who were born in these countries. Those who were not on American soil when the decree came into effect are not able to re-enter for three months - separating them from their families and putting their jobs at risk.


Some green card holders who were flying home to the US when the executive order was signed have been taken into custody at airports upon arrival - with dozens of immigration lawyers attempting to help the stranded.

A judge has ruled those who have already landed in the US with valid visas can be temporarily allowed to stay in the country.

As of Saturday night, customs and border protection officials had denied entry to more than 170 people.

Others who were about to board flights back to America have been told they cannot travel - and the Homeland Security Department has been contacting airlines and recommending them to deny boarding to certain passengers.

Enforcement of the executive order for those landing in the States has been described as patchy and disorganised, and some American airports have been more lenient than others.

[Pacman1903]

This is nothing new for America they have form

Roosevelt banned Jews entering during the war. Boats were turned back to Europe on arrival to the US. How many of them were killed on return to Europe. A lot is the answer according to the record books.. What trump is doing is no better or worse than that

Communists have been banned in the past between 1950 and 1993 there were laws against them entering

This is also the second time Iranians have been banned from entering as they were banned in 1980

HIV or aids victims were banned from entering by Reagan in 87 and that law was only lifted in Obamas term in 09


Its nae a Trump thing as its being made out to be.

Its a Yank thing y'all





Edit, next time I go to America I cant wait for immigration. Last time I went my Libyan, Algerian and Egyptian visas among other Arabic writing went down a treat when entering at Newark. Interrogated for 20 mins. I have double the amount of Arabic in it now along with stamps and visa from around the globe. Might book a trip over for a laugh.

[ILikeJam]

This is nothing new for America they have form

Roosevelt banned Jews entering during the war. Boats were turned back to Europe on arrival to the US. How many of them were killed on return to Europe. A lot is the answer according to the record books.. What trump is doing is no better or worse than that

Communists have been banned in the past between 1950 and 1993 there were laws against them entering

This is also the second time Iranians have been banned from entering as they were banned in 1980

HIV or aids victims were banned from entering by Reagan in 87 and that law was only lifted in Obamas term in 09


Its nae a Trump thing as its being made out to be.

Its a Yank thing y'all





Edit, next time I go to America I cant wait for immigration. Last time I went my Libyan, Algerian and Egyptian visas among other Arabic writing went down a treat when entering at Newark. Interrogated for 20 mins. I have double the amount of Arabic in it now along with stamps and visa from around the globe. Might book a trip over for a laugh.

Could you nae just get a second passport and keep it 'stampless'?

[Getintaethem]

Funny how what Obama did (as detailed in this article) was not even mentioned in the MSM but what Trump has done is the worst thing that anyone has ever done ever in the world... ever.

Like or loathe Trump, this story just proves the control, misinformation and false news that runs are the core of the MSM in America... and as the BBC has reported this story in pretty much the same way - with our own MSM.

https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28...wont-tell-you/

[Stupie82]

The biggest difference here is that although Obama started the process of restricting visas, he didnt do it based on religion. Trump has specifically said this is a "Muslim ban". Same when Carter banned Iranians, it was a ban on Iranians, not Muslims and there is a significant difference. He even said during his campaign “we need a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”

He also said that this is a ban on countries that harbor terrorists and train terrorists yet the mighty Saudi Arabia isnt on the list...

Im not jumping on the bash Trump bandwagon, but this is a disgrace. As rightly pointed out by Pacman, he isnt the first president to place bans, but that doesn't make it any less worrying.

[Getintaethem]

The biggest difference here is that although Obama started the process of restricting visas, he didnt do it based on religion. Trump has specifically said this is a "Muslim ban". Same when Carter banned Iranians, it was a ban on Iranians, not Muslims and there is a significant difference. He even said during his campaign “we need a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”

He also said that this is a ban on countries that harbor terrorists and train terrorists yet the mighty Saudi Arabia isnt on the list...

Im not jumping on the bash Trump bandwagon, but this is a disgrace. As rightly pointed out by Pacman, he isnt the first president to place bans, but that doesn't make it any less worrying.

His rhetoric through the campaign notably changed as the campaign went on, and he left the banning on Muslims line months ago - well before the polls opened. For him or against him, if you looked at Trump's strategy throughout the campaign, his modus operandi was to say something extreme, get the conversation onto that topic and slowly ease his position back to a less radical position. Like it or not - his strategy worked. People went from, I cannot support that to a, oh well - I can stomach that new position.

Look at the build the wall as another example. He was going to build the wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. Now this has changed to he will build the wall and Mexico will pay the US back for it. This will change to he will build the wall and he will try and show how Mexico has recompensed the US although it wont stand up to scrutiny. Although, then it wont matter. He is basically using a line now that Clinton agreed to a few years back. But it became the symbol of his campaign. He did this time and again through the primaries and in the election.

If you look at the executive order - it does not mention any religion, it also only mentions 1 country (not all the countries mentioned explicitly by Obama) and thirdly, it has affected every religion... including Christians that tried to get into the US. So hardly an attack on all Muslims considering the vast majority of Muslims do not even live in that country and the ones that do, the majority could not afford to travel to the US.

I am not saying what he has done is worrying or not, nor have I said that he is right or wrong. On the same theme, the same is true of what Obama did. The media's reporting of this is tantamount to "false news" - they did not report what Obama did but have jumped on what Trump has done as being completely beyond the pale. Read the article I posted above, good summary of someone who was completely against Trump from what he heard in the news but then went on to read the executive order and the history of what Obama did and comes to the same conclusion as myself.

[Pacman1903]

Could you nae just get a second passport and keep it 'stampless'?

I do have a second stampless passport. Just want a laugh. 20 mins untill the guy asked who i worked for and i told him the American company, he then closed my passport and said "welcome to the US Mr Pacman, enjoy your time here"

[Jupiter]

People are always complaining about the wrong things. How many of the million muppets who signed that anti Trump petition complained about the Russians bombing Syria which killed thousands of Muslims? That was much worse than anything Trump has done.