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Thread: If there is a second EU referendum

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    P.S. Oh yeah...and let's not forget...the break up of the U.K. Brilliant!

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    Mm the Scots need to be careful what they wish for! First they have to become independent, no guarantee as some die hard SNP supporters voted for leave! So if they do get independence negotiating an entry into the EU is not going to be easy - Spain being only one country not eager to agree, then they would not get the same terms as the UK, have to adopt the Euro and economically are in a much worse state.

    I'd rather Scotland stayed part of the union but hey they must take thier chance, on the otherhand I think N ireland should leave and join up with the Republic as soon as possible!

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    Interesting fact. Remember Nigel Farage pulled out of the final TV Brexit debate for "family reasons"?

    I have now learned what these family reasons were. He was boozing in The Lamb in Leadenhall Market (near Lloyd's of London main building) as a mate of mine had a selfie with him.... and they say Corbyn didnt put enough effort in 😁

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    [QUOTE=ramAnag;38183236]
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryRam View Post
    I suggest you read mine again.. I have never disputed your claims of lies.. All I am saying is that you now want it left to the politicians... The very ones you have stated lied... Both sides were not honest.. Scare tactics from remain.. Exaggerations by leave.. Neither side was whiter than white.
    You seem to think and you are right to an extent, that the NHS promise was the swinging issue.. I am not sure for how many that was the single most important thing and swung their vote.. Neither do you I suspect.

    Except that...what 'Leave' suggested regarding the weekly £350m and immigration has been proved to be untrue and what 'Remain' suggested would happen if we voted to 'Leave' is, minute by minute, coming true...the Markets are predicting a U.K. recession, Standard and Poor have downgraded our credit rating, the pound is at a thirty year low, U.S. and European bank shares had their worst two day fall since Lehman Bros. in 2008, the P.M. has resigned, the opposition is in disarray and we are totally isolated amongst our European neighbours.
    Can't imagine that's what you and the Brexiteers wanted - Farage apart - but if you/they did then congratulations...last week's vote looks like undoing all that has been achieved via the years of austerity and sending us back to square one...only this time we'll be on our own.
    Okay.. But Remain was just talking about the EU as it is today.. I don't give a **** what it is today. When pressed on Turkey all Cameron could sa is hats 30 years away and I won't be anything to do with me.. Well Mr PM, it was important because that was some of us where worried about an expansionist Europe out of control. Massive part of my decision.. That was the legacy I as worried about for my kids. Harder for Leave to predict the future but at least they tackled the issue.. I think everyone expected an initial dip in currency, markets etc.. I certainly purchased some Euros and Dollars pre the vote.. As for an expected recession, that was widely predicted long ago and the reasons were nothing to do with this vote. Markets are always up and down, that is their nature. The problem now is that everything will be down to us leaving.. That will be convenient..
    Are we isolated? Not so sure.. Time will tell.
    IMO the argument to stay was/should have been easier but the campaign delivered was crap.. We can got to the extremists on either side, nothing that was said would change them... Reman ****ed up the middle ground... What did they do to secure the pensioner vote?
    The missed all the signs... Apparently the youth did not vote.. Why..
    Those angry at the leave result should look at the political elite who ran their campaign and mucked it up..

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    Can't disagree with much of that Angry...I did the same with Euros and Dollars. Don't think any predicted recession was likely to be UK based before all this though but you're right...the Remain campaign screwed up, thanks Mr. Corbyn, and 'Leave' just lied. Yes, we should blame the 'political elite'...but they won't be the ones paying the price will they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryRam View Post
    My biggest reason for wanting to leave was that I don't like what Europe is becoming.. What will it be like in 30 years? What legacy would we be leaving our children? The answer is nobody is sure either way..
    Not sure if you saw Obama's quote the other day "The best way to think about this is, a pause button has been pressed on the project of full European integration" - a quote that wasn't widely reported in the mainstream media (or at least not given the prominence it probably deserved)

    While a lot of folk recognised that the 'big plan' is (and has always been) full integration, it's one of those things that almost remained unsaid by the UK & EU rulers (for fear of spooking the people even further?). Ignoring all of the hysteria since the vote, I wonder how many of those folk who voted to remain stating (as Corbyn did) that they wanted to stay in a "Reformed EU" would have voted leave if this had been central to the debate rather than both sides effectively grabbing one big issue each and almost ignoring everything else that was at stake?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaspode View Post
    Not sure if you saw Obama's quote the other day "The best way to think about this is, a pause button has been pressed on the project of full European integration" - a quote that wasn't widely reported in the mainstream media (or at least not given the prominence it probably deserved)

    While a lot of folk recognised that the 'big plan' is (and has always been) full integration, it's one of those things that almost remained unsaid by the UK & EU rulers (for fear of spooking the people even further?). Ignoring all of the hysteria since the vote, I wonder how many of those folk who voted to remain stating (as Corbyn did) that they wanted to stay in a "Reformed EU" would have voted leave if this had been central to the debate rather than both sides effectively grabbing one big issue each and almost ignoring everything else that was at stake?......
    Full integration just fills me with dread...
    As I Said before.. Yugoslavia anyone?

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    As has been said, it's always been about integration! Though it was hardly mentioned during the referendum the EU is only about integration why call it the European UNION!! The Common Market is about what it says MARKET - no mention of political union or any other type of union. We call the UK the Union of states, union being total. The Scots want to be independent of the 'union' but remain part of another 'union' which has designs on being similar to the existing 'union' they are already in. Don't anyone be fooled our UK is the type of 'union' envisaged by Germany and France and the bloated beaurocrats that inevitably congregate where nests can be feathered. It's like the beehive community - the Queen dishes out her instructions and the rest of the hive obey (even with their lives). Now the single market is excellent but it must be weighed against the other aims of the 'union'. I, personally opted for remain having considered this but fully understand why 'what you get with the single market' led to some voting out. Strangely, I know of some who voted likewise to me but are almost relieved that we voted out because of the way the EU (not the Single Market) is going!!

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    Mikhail Gorbachev -

    “The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

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    Prime Minister Gove? Now look what you've gone and done. Gove standing ffs...put the nation on suicide watch! Be like having Mr. Bean in charge.

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