o/t Sack John Bercow immediately

[millmoormagic]

Regarding the growth in Muslim population being normal, here's a few facts from the census figures.

1961 Muslim population was 0.11% of total with 7 registered mosques
1971 0.46% with 30 mosques
1981 1.11% with 149 mosques
1991 1.86% with 443 mosques
2001 3.07% with 614 mosques
2011 4.83% with 1500 mosques

Now that's nigh on exponential growth,bearing in mind that census reported figures are regarded as underestimates because some Asian women aren't declared by their husbands ( or avoid filling in the form completely) also the mosque numbers are for fully registered ones, there are many more teaching Islam but not declared as official mosques.

So if we are seeing issues now with "only" about 5% of the population being Muslim then what's it going to be like 10 years from now?

Grim is the answer.

Well, i'll take it from your figures then, in ten years time it can be expected, if the growth follows the same trend, that the muslim population will have risen by 1.76% to 6.59%, hardly a massive hike, given that still leaves 93.41% non muslim population...

I'll say the same to you jolly as ive said to Ellis, drop your unfounded fears of muslim takeovers and mass murder in every street, aint gunna happen.

[Ellis_D]

Regarding the growth in Muslim population being normal, here's a few facts from the census figures.

1961 Muslim population was 0.11% of total with 7 registered mosques
1971 0.46% with 30 mosques
1981 1.11% with 149 mosques
1991 1.86% with 443 mosques
2001 3.07% with 614 mosques
2011 4.83% with 1500 mosques

Now that's nigh on exponential growth,bearing in mind that census reported figures are regarded as underestimates because some Asian women aren't declared by their husbands ( or avoid filling in the form completely) also the mosque numbers are for fully registered ones, there are many more teaching Islam but not declared as official mosques.

So if we are seeing issues now with "only" about 5% of the population being Muslim then what's it going to be like 10 years from now?

Grim is the answer.

The problems are only going to get worse and worse. Let's re-visit this issue in five years, then ten years. I guarantee we will have more terror attacks and more problems of Muslims not trying to integrate into our society, but instead trying to implement Sharia Law and live in their own little Muslim only areas.

And people like Millmoor will still be saying things like, "Of course there's more Muslims here, that's normal growth. And of course that means there will be more terror attacks as some will be terrorists. But the fact we have only had five terror attacks in Britain this year means it isn't a significant problem, it's just exaggerated by groups like EDL and the right wing media."

I don't want ANY terror attacks here, and more Muslims means more terror attacks. It's not hard to work out. And yes, we all know not all Muslims are terrorists. But most terrorists ARE Muslims. Certainly the ones committing terror attacks in Europe.

[Ellis_D]

Well, i'll take it from your figures then, in ten years time it can be expected, if the growth follows the same trend, that the muslim population will have risen by 1.76% to 6.59%, hardly a massive hike, given that still leaves 93.41% non muslim population...

I'll say the same to you jolly as ive said to Ellis, drop your unfounded fears of muslim takeovers and mass murder in every street, aint gunna happen.

And then what? How many years with that kind of growth will it take until Muslims are the majority in this country? Through terror tactics, spreading their religion or by a far higher rate of births? I guarantee it will only take until the figure is about 20% before we have a civil war in this country.

[millmoormagic]

And then what? How many years with that kind of growth will it take until Muslims are the majority in this country? Through terror tactics, spreading their religion or by a far higher rate of births? I guarantee it will only take until the figure is about 20% before we have a civil war in this country.

You're deluded, and not listening, or you don't want to listen, many many asians are integrating, and the vast majority are against any kind of violence, vast majority. I'm also on record as saying i think Islam is a corrupt religion, i also think the same for christianity, all delusional control organisations, but i wouldn't ban them, if people get what they think they need from them then fair enough. You cannot, just cannot tar everyone with the same brush, i'm not an apologist for any person or organisation, i'm just sick to death of the scaremongering going on that is baseless, and used to gain political power.

[Ellis_D]

You're deluded, and not listening, or you don't want to listen, many many asians are integrating, and the vast majority are against any kind of violence, vast majority. I'm also on record as saying i think Islam is a corrupt religion, i also think the same for christianity, all delusional control organisations, but i wouldn't ban them, if people get what they think they need from them then fair enough. You cannot, just cannot tar everyone with the same brush, i'm not an apologist for any person or organisation, i'm just sick to death of the scaremongering going on that is baseless, and used to gain political power.

I never mentioned Asians, I said Muslims. Although I will let you off with that, seeing as most Muslims are of Asian origin.

You accuse me of not listening, and I accuse you of the same. We are never going to change each other's opinions, probably not even 1%. I have several times acknowledged that most Muslims are good, honest, decent people.

However, the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have.

[Neville_Davitt]

I never mentioned Asians, I said Muslims. Although I will let you off with that, seeing as most Muslims are of Asian origin.

You accuse me of not listening, and I accuse you of the same. We are never going to change each other's opinions, probably not even 1%. I have several times acknowledged that most Muslims are good, honest, decent people.

However, the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have.

Genuine question Ellis D.

You've stated that the higher rate of Muslims we have = the more terror attacks we will have. Can you point me to the research and/or data that shows this? I'd be interested to read this analysis/study and the data that proves the link. I'm assuming that it is a legitimate and scientific study (e.g a Home Office and/or Government paper) that proves beyond doubt that there is a correlation. So grateful if you could yell me where I can find this evidence or perhaps attach a link/links to it. Thanks.

[Muchthemillersson]

Just demonstrates the deep disregard these folks have for the general electorate.

Another example is Labour MP Mary Creagh, who supposedly represents the people of Wakefield.

Wakefield voted overwhelmingly for Brexit but at the last vote she decided to vote against, even though all Labour MPs had been instructed to vote for it.

Where's the regard for her constituents there?

Why aren't Labour throwing her out of the party?

I took her on in her own town in a pre-referendum debate and beat her hands down. The Chairman was so embarrassed he didn't put the motion to a vote but when an audience member,most of whom were Labour supporters, asked who would join the EU in the circumstances I described only two people put their hands up including Mrs Creagh. Quite a few in the audience became angry with her for not being willing to face reality. She couldn't put up any rational argument for staying in the EU rather making points that fell into the category 'Wouldn't it be nice if.....'

[Ellis_D]

Genuine question Ellis D.

You've stated that the higher rate of Muslims we have = the more terror attacks we will have. Can you point me to the research and/or data that shows this? I'd be interested to read this analysis/study and the data that proves the link. I'm assuming that it is a legitimate and scientific study (e.g a Home Office and/or Government paper) that proves beyond doubt that there is a correlation. So grateful if you could yell me where I can find this evidence or perhaps attach a link/links to it. Thanks.

You're trying to be a smartarse, but I'll give an answer anyway.

France, Belgium and Germany have let in loads of Muslims and have the most terror attacks in Europe. France, especially, with the highest number of Muslims, has, amazingly enough, suffered the most amount of terror attacks. Poland has a very low percentage of Muslims, and also has a very low amount of terror attacks. Japan has strict immigration controls and a very small minority of Muslims, the end result being zero terror attacks.

[Neville_Davitt]

You're trying to be a smartarse, but I'll give an answer anyway.

France, Belgium and Germany have let in loads of Muslims and have the most terror attacks in Europe. France, especially, with the highest number of Muslims, has, amazingly enough, suffered the most amount of terror attacks. Poland has a very low percentage of Muslims, and also has a very low amount of terror attacks. Japan has strict immigration controls and a very small minority of Muslims, the end result being zero terror attacks.

OK so now you've now widened out this from the UK to other European countries. So same inquiry. Can you provide links to reports for each of these countries then? You stated that it was a "fact" that an increase in Muslims led to an increase in terrorist attacks. What you've expressed is an opinion. I'm interested in the evidence and not an opinion.

So grateful if you could point me in the direction of the data that supports your claim above. Simple request.

[Ellis_D]

16 terrorist attacks took place in Europe in 2016, by July, and five of them were in France. That's because the percentage of Muslims in France is higher than other European countries.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ding-in-france

Just to see how too many Muslims in Britian sympathise with terror attacks: "In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks the BBC conducted an opinion poll of the views of the British Muslim community. 27 per-cent of those questioned agreed with the statement “I have some sympathy behind the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris”. A further 2 per cent refused to answer. A further 8 per cent couldn’t make up their minds whether they agreed with the statement or not.
When nearly 40 per cent of British Muslims are at best ambiguous, and at worst supportive, of the argument the Charlie Hebdo massacre had some form of moral justification, then that number is too high. And it is high enough to indicate that the benefit of sticking our head in the sands over the link between terror and Islam is outweighed by the downside."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-break-it.html

"The number of people killed by terrorists worldwide in 2013 rose by 60 percent compared to the previous year – from 11,133 to 17,958 – with four Sunni Muslim extremist groups responsible for two-thirds of all fatalities, according to a comprehensive annual study.
Eighty-two percent of fatalities occurred in just five countries – Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria and Syria, although the number of countries that experienced more than 50 terror-related deaths also rose – to 24, compared with 15 the previous year."

So more terrorist attacks in Muslim countries than any other nations. I wonder why that could be? Is it, perhaps, because those Muslim countries have lots of Muslims there?!?!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-killings-2013

"WHY have jihadist terrorists made France Europe’s bloodiest battlefield?

Simple answer: Because France let in the most Muslims.

This link between immigration policies and terrorism largely explains why the French are the greatest victims of Europe’s jihadists."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opi...f475b5dbdf74c5

"Pew asked Muslims in the U.S. under what circumstances “suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians is justified to defend Islam." Thankfully, Pew reported, Muslims mostly (86%) say such behavior is “rarely or never” justified. Whew! That means about 1.6 million Muslim adults living here say they don't approve of violence in the name of their religion. But what about the rest? What do they believe about justifiable violence?

Seven percent of Muslims in America told Pew researchers that violence against civilians is “sometimes” justified in the name of Islam, and 1% said “often.” Whoa! This means there are more than 100,000 Muslim adults living in this country who could justify a suicide bombing in the name of their religion."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/86670606/