I attended the Magpie Group meeting tonight

[ghostrider]

So you're saying you believe rafa was given every penny?

Nope. I'm saying that possibly he wasn't given more to spend due to his refusal to commit. Had he commited he may have got every penny the club generated in playing side profit.
All I can do at this point is speculate just like everyone else.

[ex_pat_magpie]

So had he committed and Fatty still welched where would we and he be then.

I think he has the Fat Slob worked out better than you do.

[Sclox]

...and I'll tell you something else too. This should be the golden age for premier league clubs with all the worldwide revenue, exposure and TV money. Other clubs, smaller ones are making hay - investing in stadiums, training facilities for the future and building a legacy. We are not and when the money eventually dries up we will have fk all to show for it while Ashley will be away pockets filled with all the loot.

[AP69]

So to the detriment of the club he owns he made another £22m on top of the money earned last season (Not this money generated in playing side nonesense) because he couldn't make Rafa commit to a plan he knows will change as soon as the ink is dry

Ashley does have previous in these matters

Every penny the club generates

[Sclox]

Nope. I'm saying that possibly he wasn't given more to spend due to his refusal to commit. Had he commited he may have got every penny the club generated in playing side profit.
All I can do at this point is speculate just like everyone else.

Thats another half arrsed excuse. If there as money all Ashley had to do was be transparent beforehand.

There was and isn't any money.

[Geordie1974]

Give me strength.If Rafa had committed we would have had money.Get a grip.Not a chance.Anyone that believes that and we know who does needs their heeds looking at.
The man is a liar and it's just another excuse.He has no intention of running NUFC the correct way.He cares about SD and that's it.FFS he's got his little minions telling lies in the media and bad mouthing everything and everyone connected to the club.

Ashley OUT.

[ghostrider]

Spoken like a true submisive.

Rangers fans became militant - he ****ed off in short order, we didn't and hes still here 11 years later.

Yep he left. He had little dabble in that club so naturally with that hatred for him he's chose to ditch them. I'm not really interested in that to be fair, just Newcastle.

You sound like comical Ali during the gulf war with the bombs going off and tanks behind him telling watchers "no problem, everything is fine".

Maybe what you see isn't always what's the truth, eh?
It's fine to pick and choose what's real and fake in the news but the issue is, what is the fact and what is the fiction or is it a mixture of both?
I basically question just about everything.

1)Yes, you are in the minority.

Of course I am but it doesn't make me wrong.

We could do much better with basically any other owner.

We could definitely do much better but not with any owner.

2)I'd take a plastic owner today throwing money in and being called plastic by others.
Why wouldn't I?

I imagine many would. We all want excitement and bragging rights. If it's a long term job like Man City seems to be then we simply become one of the elites. A money no object club that has a squad full of massive expectation, not hope.
Because if that sugar daddy cannot get it right among the many elites and we're struggling to finish in the top 6 with maybe a fleeting glance at 5th or 4th, then you know what will happen...and it will not be a good ending for an owner who would get it right in the neck, regardless of 100's of millions spent.

Buy yeah, I can see your point on wanting it all. It's a dream that we all want. I'd take anything as long as it does not impact the life of the club.

We get fans now when we are shiit so if the wheels came off we'd still have fans in the future - would be shiit having to watch the likes of Ronaldo and Messi every week.

We'll always have fans. That's not even an issue as long as the club remains a club.

Its like those diks who say they wouldn't want to win the lottery because the money would ruin their life.

I'm one of them, which is why I don't do it. plus I don't trust the national lottery, on the whole.
I do the Irish one. It's a small payout if you win but it keeps it a bit more sensible.

3)100k a week wages is not unsustainable with 130 million sky money and a proper look at our commercial strategy which is very poor (on purpose) - the red Manchester club recouped Pogbas fee within 6 months in far east shirt sales alone. Its all relative.

I agree....If it works out.... and that's the absolute key.
Many might not admit this but we've been through this before. On a smaller scale, granted... but equally unnerving in terms of how we can easily fall apart if the money throwing issue does not reap dividends in short order.

Remember all those that jumped ship who were on massive wages (for the time) when we got relegated under Shearers stand in finale?
Trying to ship out players who were on silly money and finding it hard because of it. It sets you right back and the fans were up in arms (rightly so) about it.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

4)Its been pointed out to you that the fans don't want a blank cheque just fitting spending based on player sales and income.
Are you lying on purpose or just plain stupid not to accept this point?

I don't accept this point because it means nothing.
A fitting spending is what?
What exactly is a fitting spending?
More than Huddersfield?
More than Brighton?
More than Watford?
More than West ham?
Or More than Everton?

Or higher?
Nothing is fitting until it's fitting...simple as that, no matter what is spent.
Pellegrini's job is teetering after only 4 games with...surely fitting spending...right?...Or is it overspending on the wrong players... but we would spend it on the right one's? What is it?
Is Pellegrini not a world class manager?

5)We will never get a better deal from Ashley.

We might not if he intends to leave or we might if he decides to stay.
We've had some good deals...so why not again if he stays?

This is it. He is at war with us

He probably is. I wonder why?
It seems the fans are always at war with him if the cap doesn't fit.
The man's been tortured, whether you agree or not or think it's worthy or him deserving worse. It doesn't matter what I think of him in this case. You say he's at war then ask yourself why.
To me he seems to be in a constant battle with the fans over anything and everything that can be pulled from the hat. The actual war is yet to be won by either side.

Like it or not...strategically Ashley is in a much better position.

- and its not open conflict, its a sneaky guerilla, ambush combat, its plain to see so we need to be at war with him making it as difficult as possible.

Maybe he is but I'd say there's a massive case of two to tango going on.

I dont want fk all anymore from him other than to go.

When he goes you get your wish. Until then you do have a choice not to partake in anything he is part of until he's gone. Or you simply have to accept it like we all do, whether we like it or not.

6)There was a buyer but he wants to charge the buyer more than tbe clubs worth to ensure they wont buy it.

I disagree.
The club is 400 million and in today's climate of silly money I'd say it's a steal for anyone who wants to move it forward in their own way , as in giving the fans the upmarket football they want.
After all, you said it yourself. The TV money is huge so when you look at it, it's chicken feed for a club this size with its fan base.
Especially when you see one player being sold for near 200 million. That really puts things into perspective, no matter how ridiculous it all is.

Why would he sell? Hes doing the club 6 ways sideways financially.

Can you prove any of this or are you merely speculating?

If the price was right there would always be a buyer.

Correct.
Sell it for £1 and I'll buy it.
maybe £50 million and some chancer?
Maybe £200 million and a bigger chancer?
Ask yourself why nobody wants to pay the money, which I think is undervaluing the club to be totally honest, in today's climate, as I've already mentioned.

7)You seem like a nice bloke however, your views pollute my mind and are wrong at almost every count.

That's all my views are. Just my opinion and as honest as I can give out.
I'm strong minded like many are. We aren't all going to accept each other's opinions and if I stand out as one of the few for my beliefs then so be it.
I'm not going to follow a narrative if I don't agree with the way it goes or at least have questions alternate to hat way, whether they turn out right or wrong...because 99% of what we all argue is outside speculation based on a bunch of Chinese type whispering.

It's all about piecing a potential speculative jigsaw together to get the better picture without deliberately trying to jam in those pieces that appear to fit if you shoehorn them in but can skew the entire end scene.

[ghostrider]

So had he committed and Fatty still welched where would we and he be then.

We won't know that because he didn't commit.

I think he has the Fat Slob worked out better than you do.

I don't think Rafa has more than a small bunch of words with Ashley every time they've crossed paths, so I hardly think Rafa has him worked out.
Maybe Ashley has Rafa worked out.

[ghostrider]

...and I'll tell you something else too. This should be the golden age for premier league clubs with all the worldwide revenue, exposure and TV money. Other clubs, smaller ones are making hay - investing in stadiums, training facilities for the future and building a legacy. We are not and when the money eventually dries up we will have fk all to show for it while Ashley will be away pockets filled with all the loot.

It's the golden age of the choreographed elite clubs.
If we are allowed to join then you'll get that take off.
If we aren't, we will continue to be dictated to by officialdom that sorts their wheat from their chaff.

.

[ghostrider]

Thats another half arrsed excuse. If there as money all Ashley had to do was be transparent beforehand.

There was and isn't any money.

Transparent as in how?
What could Ashley say at any time that would be taken as truth by the fans?