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[sinkov]

That lefties are the ones who despise their own country 59, is not a new proposition, Orwell recognised the trait years ago. Nothing has changed, Orwell saw it back then, it still applies now.

"Orwell does not want to suggest that the ‘positivity’ of patriotism is made manifest in the rise of fascism. Rather, in the move from national characteristics towards pride in those commonalities, Orwell sees the good that could come out of patriotism: a profound sense of unification that might lead to progressive political action. Patriotism can (Orwell does not think it always does) create a sense of togetherness that cuts across differences and generates positive change with unparalleled force. It is this sense of patriotism that Orwell thinks can drag a nation out of extreme circumstances and crisis; “There can be moments when the whole nation suddenly swings together and does the same thing, like a herd of cattle facing a wolf”.
The reason Orwell believes the left is not used to seeing these changes work for them is because the left detests patriotism, and doesn’t take up the banner of Britishness as do its opposites. “England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality”, he said. In this sense, intellectualism is hopelessly at odds with the view of the public. In one of the only areas of thought where Orwell could be said to agree with Theresa May, he identifies in the left a common dislike of patriotism and Britishness, and an over-readiness to conflate the former concept with nationalism and racism. Is this true of the left today? It is hard to speak with certainty, but ask yourself what associations are called to mind when you meditate on the term ‘patriotism’. If we are honest with ourselves, we are probably more ready to think of Nigel Farage as a patriot than we are Jeremy Corbyn, and a slew of negative associations follow."

[sinkov]

Just to give you a deeper sense of foreboding and gloom, I've just realised if as expected, the Tories lose the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election on Thursday to the Liberal Democrats, the Government’s working majority will fall from two to one.

BoJo will get phuck all through Parliament. He might as well start packing now.

He doesn't need to get anything through Parliament BT, getting out of the EU is all that matters, and the legal default, both in UK law and the EU's Treaty of Rome, is that we leave on October 31st. It's up to the extremists and saboteurs in Parliament to try to prevent the will of the people being enacted, and the timetable for them is tight in the extreme, which is why Remoaners are now in full melt-down mode. As Brexit approaches and they realise we really are leaving, they are becoming ever more hysterical in their ludicrous claims, it's literally driving some of them mad, tipping them over the edge.

[1959_60]

That lefties are the ones who despise their own country 59, is not a new proposition, Orwell recognised the trait years ago. Nothing has changed, Orwell saw it back then, it still applies now.

"Orwell does not want to suggest that the ‘positivity’ of patriotism is made manifest in the rise of fascism. Rather, in the move from national characteristics towards pride in those commonalities, Orwell sees the good that could come out of patriotism: a profound sense of unification that might lead to progressive political action. Patriotism can (Orwell does not think it always does) create a sense of togetherness that cuts across differences and generates positive change with unparalleled force. It is this sense of patriotism that Orwell thinks can drag a nation out of extreme circumstances and crisis; “There can be moments when the whole nation suddenly swings together and does the same thing, like a herd of cattle facing a wolf”.
The reason Orwell believes the left is not used to seeing these changes work for them is because the left detests patriotism, and doesn’t take up the banner of Britishness as do its opposites. “England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality”, he said. In this sense, intellectualism is hopelessly at odds with the view of the public. In one of the only areas of thought where Orwell could be said to agree with Theresa May, he identifies in the left a common dislike of patriotism and Britishness, and an over-readiness to conflate the former concept with nationalism and racism. Is this true of the left today? It is hard to speak with certainty, but ask yourself what associations are called to mind when you meditate on the term ‘patriotism’. If we are honest with ourselves, we are probably more ready to think of Nigel Farage as a patriot than we are Jeremy Corbyn, and a slew of negative associations follow."

Again, a few moments thought and you realise that is nonsense.
You don't have to wear Union Jack suits and wave flags to be patriotic.
Please don't infer that I am not patriotic because I am.
But the right wing nut jobs (BNP, National Front) gained a bit of traction with that group of ultra patriots who wanted to "send them back" - surely you are not amongst that crowd Sinkov?

And if you think that flag waving and tub thumping will bring the country together then I think you will be very disappointed.
Nigel, Boris, Rees-Mogg et al are generally despised in many areas, including Scotland and Northern Ireland. With people like them in charge the chance of our union being broken up had increased significantly. So much for bringing the nation together.

If your view of patriotism is that we should stand alone, pull up the drawbridge and fly by the seat of our pants then many would agree.

But those of who who don't agree are no less patriotic than you - even though the PR machines of the BNP, National Front, UKIP, Brexit parties are trying to convince you otherwise.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Yes I know Foreign Aid is on the Statute Book BT, have you forgotten already that it was me that made you aware of this fact only a matter of weeks ago ? So get it off the Statute Book then, when Boris has a workable majority he can ignore the squeals from the virtue signalling PC Brigade and repeal the Act, it's not set in stone.
The two spending items you specifically mention, police and transport infrastructure in the north, are both areas where you have demanded increased spending yourself, it also signals an end to 'Austerity', which you have called for, Boris proposes more money for education, surely that satisfies your good self, who has moaned on this msgboard that schools can't even afford to buy books.

An end to Austerity, more spending on the police, more spending on education, more spending on northern transport infrastructure, taking us out of the EU. Five things there you have been demanding for years there BT, with Boris, you ask, you get, and still you moan. It's quite bizarre, seems there's just no pleasing some people.

Could you imagine the outcry and backlash if Corbyn had opened the Chancellor's Dry Powder Room? It's hypocrisy at its finest, but for all that, if BoJo is ending needless Tory austerity, I MIGHT just give him a break.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Again, a few moments thought and you realise that is nonsense.
You don't have to wear Union Jack suits and wave flags to be patriotic.
Please don't infer that I am not patriotic because I am.
But the right wing nut jobs (BNP, National Front) gained a bit of traction with that group of ultra patriots who wanted to "send them back" - surely you are not amongst that crowd Sinkov?

And if you think that flag waving and tub thumping will bring the country together then I think you will be very disappointed.
Nigel, Boris, Rees-Mogg et al are generally despised in many areas, including Scotland and Northern Ireland. With people like them in charge the chance of our union being broken up had increased significantly. So much for bringing the nation together.

If your view of patriotism is that we should stand alone, pull up the drawbridge and fly by the seat of our pants then many would agree.

But those of who who don't agree are no less patriotic than you - even though the PR machines of the BNP, National Front, UKIP, Brexit parties are trying to convince you otherwise.

Oh come on 1959-60, don't be obtuse, let's show our patriotism and both dress up and look like these eejits..?

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[sinkov]

Again, a few moments thought and you realise that is nonsense.
You don't have to wear Union Jack suits and wave flags to be patriotic.
Please don't infer that I am not patriotic because I am.
But the right wing nut jobs (BNP, National Front) gained a bit of traction with that group of ultra patriots who wanted to "send them back" - surely you are not amongst that crowd Sinkov?

And if you think that flag waving and tub thumping will bring the country together then I think you will be very disappointed.
Nigel, Boris, Rees-Mogg et al are generally despised in many areas, including Scotland and Northern Ireland. With people like them in charge the chance of our union being broken up had increased significantly. So much for bringing the nation together.

If your view of patriotism is that we should stand alone, pull up the drawbridge and fly by the seat of our pants then many would agree.

But those of who who don't agree are no less patriotic than you - even though the PR machines of the BNP, National Front, UKIP, Brexit parties are trying to convince you otherwise.

You just don't get it do you 59, Orwell saw it clearly, it still applies, you want another example, Thornberry's sneering little tweeted photo of the white vans and English flags, Orwell's observations brought starkly to life all these years later. I'm sure she couldn't help it, it's all part of the lefty mindset, she was only doing what came naturally, and I'm sure she was feeling quite pleased with herself, until it cost her her job and she had to apologise.

[sinkov]

Could you imagine the outcry and backlash if Corbyn had opened the Chancellor's Dry Powder Room? It's hypocrisy at its finest, but for all that, if BoJo is ending needless Tory austerity, I MIGHT just give him a break.

Give him a break ?? FFS BT, he's implementing so many of your policies you should be bloody voting him for him.

[Norder]

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....dress up and look like these eejits..?

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that seriously creepy display of deference - about somes up how twisted the State of their Heads are - and to think...... it's their Vote and the like - that could decide our future !

[The Bedlington Terrier]

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that seriously creepy display of deference - about somes up how twisted the State of their Heads are - and to think...... it's their Vote and the like - that could decide our future !

Scares me ****Less it really does Norder.

[1959_60]

You just don't get it do you 59, Orwell saw it clearly, it still applies, you want another example, Thornberry's sneering little tweeted photo of the white vans and English flags, Orwell's observations brought starkly to life all these years later. I'm sure she couldn't help it, it's all part of the lefty mindset, she was only doing what came naturally, and I'm sure she was feeling quite pleased with herself, until it cost her her job and she had to apologise.

Well, I agree that at certain times the whole country gets together and feels proud to be British. Not often enough though.
The last time was in 2012 for the London Olympics (when the Lib Dems were in power) (joke)
This was a sporting phenomenon though, which transcends political views.

And I think that every party from the SWP to the BNP wants to feel patriotic - but each party has their own ideals.
The BNP though they could Make Britain Great Again by getting rid of foreigners.
The SWP wanted to change the way society works by a mass redistribution of money and assets.
And every other party has it's own ideas.

That's not to diss them as being unpatriotic though. They all have their own ideas of how to produce a society that they can feel proud of.

Don't you think that Boris et al would be criticising the way the country is run if they were in opposition? Of course they would because they would have different ideas from, say, Corbyn who would be running the show.

And if Corbyn was PM then don't you think he would be telling us how proud we should all be of Britain under his leadership? Of course he would.

There is plenty to find fault with in any serving Government.
I hated the "go home" vans under the Tories and describing Muslim ladies as looking like terrorists and letter boxes, Windrush and other stuff.

I hated Labour taking us into the Iraq war in cahoots with Bush, the snoopers charter etc.

I hated the bedroom tax during the coalition years.

But in making these criticisms I am not being unpatriotic.

If anyone is called unpatriotic for making (in their minds) valid criticisms of Government policy then we have got it all wrong and our democracy will be weakened.