OT. Schools...normality and Coronavirus.

[Ram59]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39497479]For me your last sentence illustrates the problem, Ram.

I have to disagree about it being ‘impossible’ to social distance in the supermarket. Generally speaking the supermarkets have been ahead of the game imo. However I haven’t heard any ‘advice’ regarding the need to wear a face mask in the supermarket.

Obviously, you haven't been to the same supermarkets as me RA.

2m queuing outside, free for all inside. People passing each other in the aisles, some staff not wearing masks. Then you get to the checkout where you have to keep 2m apart, which backs up the queue into the aisles and the end of the aisles.

As for the supermarkets being ahead of the game, absolute rubbish, I was saying weeks ago that checkout staff had no barrier between them and 100s of customers less than 2m away, every shift.

As for the advice, I agree that it should be mandatory, but it's clear as day even for a teacher, 🙄, on the government website issued on 11th May, section 10 advice on face masks, should be used in enclosed spaces such as transport and some shops, where social distancing is not possible.

I wish I could work out how to attach links on this phone. 😔

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Ram59;39497519]

For me your last sentence illustrates the problem, Ram.

I have to disagree about it being ‘impossible’ to social distance in the supermarket. Generally speaking the supermarkets have been ahead of the game imo. However I haven’t heard any ‘advice’ regarding the need to wear a face mask in the supermarket.

Obviously, you haven't been to the same supermarkets as me RA.

2m queuing outside, free for all inside. People passing each other in the aisles, some staff not wearing masks. Then you get to the checkout where you have to keep 2m apart, which backs up the queue into the aisles and the end of the aisles.

As for the supermarkets being ahead of the game, absolute rubbish, I was saying weeks ago that checkout staff had no barrier between them and 100s of customers less than 2m away, every shift.

As for the advice, I agree that it should be mandatory, but it's clear as day even for a teacher, ��, on the government website issued on 11th May, section 10 advice on face masks, should be used in enclosed spaces such as transport and some shops, where social distancing is not possible.

I wish I could work out how to attach links on this phone. ��

Calm down Ram. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make it ‘absolute rubbish’.

My experience hasn’t been of a ‘free for all inside’ and most, not all, supermarkets were quick to mark out two metre gaps and put up Perspex shields for till workers long before London Transport or the government followed suit.

The point of my post was that the advice isn’t as ‘clear as day’ at all. You suggest that the advice is that masks should be worn where social distancing isn’t possible but then say this should include shops where the queues to enter, the arrows on the floor, the two metre lines at the checkout etc are all there to enforce social distancing.

A combination of unclear, contradictory advice and stupid, selfish behaviour, as evidenced at Durdle Door and Dovedale (to name but two) this weekend, is a large part of the problem.

[Ram59]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39497532]

Calm down Ram. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make it ‘absolute rubbish’.

My experience hasn’t been of a ‘free for all inside’ and most, not all, supermarkets were quick to mark out two metre gaps and put up Perspex shields for till workers long before London Transport or the government followed suit.

The point of my post was that the advice isn’t as ‘clear as day’ at all. You suggest that the advice is that masks should be worn where social distancing isn’t possible but then say this should include shops where the queues to enter, the arrows on the floor, the two metre lines at the checkout etc are all there to enforce social distancing.

A combination of unclear, contradictory advice and stupid, selfish behaviour, as evidenced at Durdle Door and Dovedale (to name but two) this weekend, is a large part of the problem.

On the Johnson topic, on 7th April, I posted that only a few supermarkets down here had just started to put up screens. This was over 2 weeks after the lockdown and over 3 weeks after crowd gatherings were stopped. I wouldn't have said that this was particularly quick obviously, you disagree.

We can only say what we see, but down here with the thick brummies, I've found it impossible to socially distance in Aldi, Lidl, Marks and Spencer, Morrisons.

As for the government advice, if you know that it's too crowded in your regular supermarket, you should have a mask on. It's clear to me.

[MadAmster]

Never thought I'd see the day but the Dutch seem to be "out-Englishing" the English. Immediate supermarket rules of a max of 1 customer per 10m2. Sufficient trolleys for the max allowed number of people, one person per trolley, tape all over the floor indicating 1.5m distancing. Once inside, what used to be a free for all in which the behaviour and politeness was far from obvious, it's now all, after you, no after you. On the roads, traffic from the right has right of way. That same system seems to be generally accepted in the supermarkets now. You do get the odd one who forgets (or isn't bothered) and I am often too slow to point it out the transgressor, being beaten to the punch by Dutch shoppers.

Hopefully things will improve over there.

[Geoff Parkstone]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39497532]

Calm down Ram. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make it ‘absolute rubbish’.

My experience hasn’t been of a ‘free for all inside’ and most, not all, supermarkets were quick to mark out two metre gaps and put up Perspex shields for till workers long before London Transport or the government followed suit.

The point of my post was that the advice isn’t as ‘clear as day’ at all. You suggest that the advice is that masks should be worn where social distancing isn’t possible but then say this should include shops where the queues to enter, the arrows on the floor, the two metre lines at the checkout etc are all there to enforce social distancing.

A combination of unclear, contradictory advice and stupid, selfish behaviour, as evidenced at Durdle Door and Dovedale (to name but two) this weekend, is a large part of the problem.

My local "corner supermarket" seems to have done everything right - perspex screens at checkout, a one way system through the aisles, little footprint markers indicating distancing and direction of travel, well ordered queues outside, decent door control. BUT, and you just know there has to be a but - the whole thing falls apart because people just ignore everything when they get inside. People are truly ****ing stupid. Wandering round in any direction, leaning over in front of you to grab something instead of waiting, sorting through stuff to find what they want, picking stuff up and putting it back. Just the sort of behaviour that would have been borderline OK 12 months ago, but now its just ludicrous. What does anyone have to do to educate people on the new behavioural norm.

There is no discernible pattern to this - its not just kids, or pensioners, or immigrants - its everyone, apart of course from me! & weeks in and nothing seems to have penetrated their skulls.

And in my "one customer at a time" corner shop, same thing. Someone else in the shop? Ill just go and stand right behind him in there. 5 autonomous people is the most I've seen in there at a time . And then one hapless **** went in and played the scratch card lottery at the counter for 10 minutes, lost all his money and wandered off without buying anything, leaving a queue of maybe 20 of us very pissed off customers without a word of apology.

You cant fix stupid

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Ram59;39497549]

On the Johnson topic, on 7th April, I posted that only a few supermarkets down here had just started to put up screens. This was over 2 weeks after the lockdown and over 3 weeks after crowd gatherings were stopped. I wouldn't have said that this was particularly quick obviously, you disagree.

We can only say what we see, but down here with the thick brummies, I've found it impossible to socially distance in Aldi, Lidl, Marks and Spencer, Morrisons.

As for the government advice, if you know that it's too crowded in your regular supermarket, you should have a mask on. It's clear to me.

Can only speak as I find. Maybe Derbys and Staffs are more genteel than Brum.

I agree that where it’s too crowded a mask is advisable but I think that’s common sense not government advice.

As I understand it...there is an equation, enabling social distancing, that relates the square metreage of the store to the number of people allowed in at any one time, beyond that I suppose the application of social distancing relies on common sense and good behaviour.

By coincidence I’ve just been on the phone to arrange for my wife’s car to be serviced. No courtesy cars, no car washing, only four people allowed to wait at any one time and ‘would you believe Sir that last week someone wanted to wait with their three children...of course we said no.’

Against such a background how sure are we that reopening schools for voluntary attendance in two weeks time is such a great idea.

[Ram59]

I would say that for every minute that I'm in a supermarket, I will have at least one person come within arm's length, usually through stupidity, but at the end of every aisle because of the checkout queues backing up.

These supermarkets need to shorten the aisles to allow for the safe queuing at the checkout.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Geoff Parkstone;39497577]

You cant fix stupid

Ain’t that the truth?

[macstheman]

Last week I was in our local supermarket, small queue to get in but everything going to plan. Then.......... the dreaded happened! Went down one of the aisles when I realised this 'lady' was coughing incessantly and I mean incessantly. No mask or hand to mouth just cough cough cough all over the shelves! I grabbed what I wanted and shot down the next aisle, danger over... no frigging way she frigging followed me. For the next few minutes wherever I was she suddenly appeared, cough cough cough. I darted to the checkouts and fled asap but complained to the till lady and she called for a supervisor. I don't know what happened after that but how f..... g stupid and selfish can you get.
PS. got to go in on Wednesday!

[Andy_Faber]

Why are any of you going into shops?