Cryne Family Statement

[SBRed48]

What has Chien done though Animal that is so radically progressive that people now think, "You know what. That's the change we needed to get this football club where we want to be. That's the kick in the arse we needed and we are now heading for success".
As far as I can see he has bought our debt free club on the cheap, amongst other club purchases in Europe with probably more to come. He hasn't even kept up the promised scheduled payments to buy our club.
Football ambition is hampered by a deliberate policy of buying young, selling and recycling the squad every two years. There is no intention of gradually building a team by retaining the better players and adding one or two each season.
Using your analogy I can't see many fans stood in a hall listening to Chien and thinking, "You know what, what this bloke is saying is just what we needed to hear at this club" and bursting out into applause.

i forgot to add Animal that, whether people agreed with it or not in that hall, at least Blair had aims and a vision for the future. Does anybody know what Chien's aims are, his vision for the future, his reason for buying the club ? Am buggered if I know.

[animallittle3]

What has Chien done though Animal that is so radically progressive that people now think, "You know what. That's the change we needed to get this football club where we want to be. That's the kick in the arse we needed and we are now heading for success".
As far as I can see he has bought our debt free club on the cheap, amongst other club purchases in Europe with probably more to come. He hasn't even kept up the promised scheduled payments to buy our club.
Football ambition is hampered by a deliberate policy of buying young, selling and recycling the squad every two years. There is no intention of gradually building a team by retaining the better players and adding one or two each season.
Using your analogy I can't see many fans stood in a hall listening to Chien and thinking, "You know what, what this bloke is saying is just what we needed to hear at this club" and bursting out into applause.

This is one of things in the Spud Podcast SB , there is no slow build towards building a team or even retaining the services of an HC .

The answer is you cant if you are the size of club we are and the way football is with vast turnover of players .

The stability is in the model , the style of play chosen that we all like and players recruited to suit that style .

What you have is an identity and a clear plan of action instead of bouncing between players asked to play different styles and coaches tasking them with it , a patchwork quilt .

This is the best we can be whilst remaining in budget and if everyone else within this mental league did the same and there are supposedly rules in place to say they should then maybe we'd do better than we have thus far .

My point is , it's not actually the clubs fault , its football itself that is fundamentally crooked .

Don't get me wrong I don't particularly find them nice people myself , they are arrogant and don't communicate too well and they hide their financial accounts in Hong Kong , very shady to say the least .

They are from a different business culture , which is brash , arrogant , ruthless and aggressive and this is a small town championship club meaning we are always going to butt heads because all of the above are traits we don't care for around these parts .

They are supreme capitalists , the club learns to stand on its own feet financially or it dies because they aren't putting one cent in , that's capitalism at its highest denominator , again it clashes with UK football culture because we expect our clubs to be financially taken care of and many seem to believe they should be bankrolled beyond their real capabilities .

We see heritage , they see business , naturally we aren't on the same page , they are here to make money , again not exactly how we see football clubs but that's how Americans view sports clubs and have done for over 50 years .

What we see as evil is perfectly normal to them and in all honesty little wonder they are falling out with everyone because the UK football business is crooked , it is bent and it leaves much to be desired on many levels .

I ain't ever going to like em but I'm trying to understand them .

[Barnsley Chop]

This is one of things in the Spud Podcast SB , there is no slow build towards building a team or even retaining the services of an HC .

The answer is you cant if you are the size of club we are and the way football is with vast turnover of players .

The stability is in the model , the style of play chosen that we all like and players recruited to suit that style .

What you have is an identity and a clear plan of action instead of bouncing between players asked to play different styles and coaches tasking them with it , a patchwork quilt .

This is the best we can be whilst remaining in budget and if everyone else within this mental league did the same and there are supposedly rules in place to say they should then maybe we'd do better than we have thus far .

My point is , it's not actually the clubs fault , its football itself that is fundamentally crooked .

Don't get me wrong I don't particularly find them nice people myself , they are arrogant and don't communicate too well and they hide their financial accounts in Hong Kong , very shady to say the least .

They are from a different business culture , which is brash , arrogant , ruthless and aggressive and this is a small town championship club meaning we are always going to butt heads because all of the above are traits we don't care for around these parts .

They are supreme capitalists , the club learns to stand on its own feet financially or it dies because they aren't putting one cent in , that's capitalism at its highest denominator , again it clashes with UK football culture because we expect our clubs to be financially taken care of and many seem to believe they should be bankrolled beyond their real capabilities .

We see heritage , they see business , naturally we aren't on the same page , they are here to make money , again not exactly how we see football clubs but that's how Americans view sports clubs and have done for over 50 years .

What we see as evil is perfectly normal to them and in all honesty little wonder they are falling out with everyone because the UK football business is crooked , it is bent and it leaves much to be desired on many levels .

I ain't ever going to like em but I'm trying to understand them .

Good post Animal

[animallittle3]

I can't imagine Dane, as CEO, lying about such a factual matter in a written, public Official Statement on behalf of the Barnsley Football Club. I can imagine him pillakin and spinning things when asked questions.

Spud is a very intelligent and ambitious kid , he was thinking about his future long before he retired from football and had the nous about him to get himself connected so he could remain in the game once his playing days were over .

He went to Germany as a young player to test himself and see how good he really was , he struggled initially and then found a way and also found time to complete his university education .

There's a lot to like about him to be honest because life's given him nowt without the willingness to travel abroad , test himself , work extremely hard and fulfill the goals he's set himself .

He's the front of house at the club , he ain't going to disrespect his employers but there's more depth to him too .

He does need to communicate more because when he does he comes across extremely well and I view that as an asset because I can imagine that kind of personality can land players at this club who were maybe undecided when an approach was made .

On what I've heard from him I don't mind the lad but he does need to communicate far more than he does .

[pass_and_move]

Spud is a very intelligent and ambitious kid , he was thinking about his future long before he retired from football and had the nous about him to get himself connected so he could remain in the game once his playing days were over .

He went to Germany as a young player to test himself and see how good he really was , he struggled initially and then found a way and also found time to complete his university education .

There's a lot to like about him to be honest because life's given him nowt without the willingness to travel abroad , test himself , work extremely hard and fulfill the goals he's set himself .

He's the front of house at the club , he ain't going to disrespect his employers but there's more depth to him too .

He does need to communicate more because when he does he comes across extremely well and I view that as an asset because I can imagine that kind of personality can land players at this club who were maybe undecided when an approach was made .

On what I've heard from him I don't mind the lad but he does need to communicate far more than he does .

Agreed. I took a few things on board from listening to him too. I'm trusting my gut and genuinely think he has much to offer this club in the role he occupies. It helps that he was a former professional footballer too. Give me him over Goat or Mansford anyday

[animallittle3]

Agreed. I took a few things on board from listening to him too. I'm trusting my gut and genuinely think he has much to offer this club in the role he occupies. It helps that he was a former professional footballer too. Give me him over Goat or Mansford anyday

It goes along way with me too Pass does a playing career .

Good point mate .

[animallittle3]

I think if Chien and the gang get their hands on 50% of the stadium and land it's clear we as fans are going to have to make it clear to Barnsley MBC in the strongest terms possible that they must never relinquish the 50% they hold .

The consequences of this consortium gaining full control of the stadium and land are more than concerning .

They may well say it's to fund the running of the club and what have you .... well they would ... wouldn't they ? .

I personally wouldn't take that risk in all honesty .

[SBRed48]

I think if Chien and the gang get their hands on 50% of the stadium and land it's clear we as fans are going to have to make it clear to Barnsley MBC in the strongest terms possible that they must never relinquish the 50% they hold .

The consequences of this consortium gaining full control of the stadium and land are more than concerning .

They may well say it's to fund the running of the club and what have you .... well they would ... wouldn't they ? .

I personally wouldn't take that risk in all honesty .

As you would expect Animal I concur with that.

Two things strike me with this carry on--

1. This Third Party and Restrictive Covenant thing going back nearly a 100 years whereby the Oakwell Ground and surrounding land can only be used for sporting and leisure purposes applies legally to the land, not the person/group who originally set it up who apparently are the original owners of Oakwell Brewery, is being used by Chien as the reason why they claim they were misled by the Crynes when they purchased Barnsley FC. Any local solicitor's clerk could have looked at the Land Registry Website and seen this covenant within a minute.

2, This so called "deception/ misleading" by the Crynes is being used by Chien's Chancers as a reason to welsch on the agreed payment schedule owed to the Crynes, even though they bought a debt free Championship club for only £8 million.

I have no respect whatsoever for Chien's/ Paul's actions. Chancers and Spivs are words that come to mind to me. I look forward to a second "Official Statement" explaining why agreed payments are not being paid, a fact not mentioned in the first Statement when we were encouraged to be part of "the Club's" fight, the owners and the fans fight, against the Crynes.

#Chien's Chancers--Summat's Not Reyt

[animallittle3]

As you would expect Animal I concur with that.

Two things strike me with this carry on--

1. This Third Party and Restrictive Covenant thing going back nearly a 100 years whereby the Oakwell Ground and surrounding land can only be used for sporting and leisure purposes applies legally to the land, not the person/group who originally set it up who apparently are the original owners of Oakwell Brewery, is being used by Chien as the reason why they claim they were misled by the Crynes when they purchased Barnsley FC. Any local solicitor's clerk could have looked at the Land Registry Website and seen this covenant within a minute.

2, This so called "deception/ misleading" by the Crynes is being used by Chien's chancers as a reason to welsch on the agreed payment schedule owed to the Crynes, even though they bought a debt free Championship club for only £8 million.

I have no respect whatsoever for Chien's/ Paul's actions. Chancers and Spivs are words that come to mind to me. I look forward to a second "Official Statement" explaining why agreed payments are not being paid, a fact not mentioned in the first Statement when we were encouraged to be part of "the Club's" fight against the Crynes.

It was fairly common knowledge within the town that there were restrictions on what you could do with the land surrounding Oakwell and what you couldn't .

As you say it wouldn't have taken much to find out from their side of things .

Everyone who buys a house or a piece of land has solicitors who do searches as part of the procedure , its standard practice .

Some saying on bbs that the Senior family who owned the brewery and put in the lands restriction has now passed and is irrelevant today .

I wouldn't be so sure myself , some of these old things still stack up today legally .

It's worth reminding ourselves that this club have experienced some tough financial times , we've nearly gone out of business four times in my time supporting the club and yet nobody flogged the land off which would have eased the financial strain , it would have been the easiest thing to do .

Nobody did and I reckon that's because the restrictions placed on the land makes it unlikely anyone would want it and it's probably not worth a great deal either because of the restrictions .

I could be wrong but it does make you wonder .

[Hodger1957]

It was fairly common knowledge within the town that there were restrictions on what you could do with the land surrounding Oakwell and what you couldn't .

As you say it wouldn't have taken much to find out from their side of things .

Everyone who buys a house or a piece of land has solicitors who do searches as part of the procedure , its standard practice .

Some saying on bbs that the Senior family who owned the brewery and put in the lands restriction has now passed and is irrelevant today .

I wouldn't be so sure myself , some of these old things still stack up today legally .

It's worth reminding ourselves that this club have experienced some tough financial times , we've nearly gone out of business four times in my time supporting the club and yet nobody flogged the land off which would have eased the financial strain , it would have been the easiest thing to do .

Nobody did and I reckon that's because the restrictions placed on the land makes it unlikely anyone would want it and it's probably not worth a great deal either because of the restrictions .

I could be wrong but it does make you wonder .

I worked at the Land Registry for 30+ years and only a very amateur solicitor wouldn't be aware of these restrictions.
In fact I would say no qualified solicitor would miss their significance.