Face Masks not stopping the spread of Coronavirus.

[Returnofrros]

I agree with the sentiment expressed here that just because we don't know anyone who has suffered is not a valid excuse. I think that if the world collected all the same stats for anything like flu, like malaria, like dysentry every year the number of deaths would dwarf the number who have died with covid 19.

Saving us from covid-19 might seem a phyrric victory for all govenrments, if the economy crashes.

She has saved nobody from nothing.

Mini me Imelda Marcos

[BCram]

She has saved nobody from nothing.

Mini me Imelda Marcos

I was careful not to single out Nicola. All governments will be in deep trouble if their economies crash. For Scotland it might be that the removal of furlough will be catastrophic, and provide the perfect opportunity for more SNP victim politics. do you think that the Westminster Government should withdraw furlough as planned and allow Holyrood to try to borrow what they want to carry on the furlough system?

[Deeranged]

Ahh I thought you were saying dentists were "hard up".

The medical profession hasn't spoken out enough against what the SNP are doing, privately they do, I myself have spoken to a couple, but publicly very few.

Their is a culture of fear of speaking out against govt policy......especially in the public employment sector.

A hard up dentist? Would never suggest that.

I know a few medical professionals - nurses, doctors and dentists - they are happy just to comply with the rules being foisted on them. Privately they tell me it's complete nonsense but professionally they have to comply same as the rest of us do at work.

Some things I've been told privately -

The morgue they built to cope with the thousands of deaths expected in this area, even with the controls put in place, was never used.

ICU at Ninewells, one of the busiest hospitals in Scotland, was never stretched with no more than five or six patients TOTAL in there at any one time. That's Covid, trauma, normal population included.

Deaths were being reported as Covid related if they weren't sure what the actual cause was because it was easier to explain to relatives.

The stress applied to NHS staff was not through additional patients, it was having to wear inappropriate and often cumbersome PPE for little or no reason that was stressful.

We all know the majority of deaths were in care homes - they emptied the hospitals, under government instructions, to cope with a non existent influx of Covid patients. In effect decanting potentially infected individuals into contact with the people most vulnerable to complications caused by it. We all know this one of course but I was also told they would transfer 'suspected but not symptomatic' patients to care homes to free up beds without testing them - what the **** for? They will never explain this one. I call that manslaughter.

I went on a bus into the town centre today, I had to wear a face covering but the driver didn't. The driver was behind a perspex screen so is exempt this ridiculous requirement. The perspex screen has a huge gap in it where you stick your hand in to put money into the box, it also has around 30 half inch diameter ventilation holes in it - in effect it's more air than perspex and completely pointless. Look at the perspex screens they have at supermarket checkouts, they're the same. Wearing a mask when you and nobody else on that bus or in that store is infected protects nobody, not you and not your fellow customers. If none of you have it how the **** can you pass it on?

Social control, simple as that.

Rant over, thanks for reading.

ETA - we also all know if someone was tested positive, never symptomatic but got hit by a bus and killed that was a Covid death.

Rant over this time.

[BCram]

What do they gain by social control? Seems to me they lose the government by consent philosophy that has taken centuries to evolve and replace it with an authoritarian regime that has failed to deliver prosperity and freedom for people all over the world. Questions are being asked about how we are going to recover from the covid cure of self isolation, they will need answers.

[Returnofrros]

A hard up dentist? Would never suggest that.

I know a few medical professionals - nurses, doctors and dentists - they are happy just to comply with the rules being foisted on them. Privately they tell me it's complete nonsense but professionally they have to comply same as the rest of us do at work.

Some things I've been told privately -

The morgue they built to cope with the thousands of deaths expected in this area, even with the controls put in place, was never used.

ICU at Ninewells, one of the busiest hospitals in Scotland, was never stretched with no more than five or six patients TOTAL in there at any one time. That's Covid, trauma, normal population included.

Deaths were being reported as Covid related if they weren't sure what the actual cause was because it was easier to explain to relatives.

The stress applied to NHS staff was not through additional patients, it was having to wear inappropriate and often cumbersome PPE for little or no reason that was stressful.

We all know the majority of deaths were in care homes - they emptied the hospitals, under government instructions, to cope with a non existent influx of Covid patients. In effect decanting potentially infected individuals into contact with the people most vulnerable to complications caused by it. We all know this one of course but I was also told they would transfer 'suspected but not symptomatic' patients to care homes to free up beds without testing them - what the **** for? They will never explain this one. I call that manslaughter.

I went on a bus into the town centre today, I had to wear a face covering but the driver didn't. The driver was behind a perspex screen so is exempt this ridiculous requirement. The perspex screen has a huge gap in it where you stick your hand in to put money into the box, it also has around 30 half inch diameter ventilation holes in it - in effect it's more air than perspex and completely pointless. Look at the perspex screens they have at supermarket checkouts, they're the same. Wearing a mask when you and nobody else on that bus or in that store is infected protects nobody, not you and not your fellow customers. If none of you have it how the **** can you pass it on?

Social control, simple as that.

Rant over, thanks for reading.

ETA - we also all know if someone was tested positive, never symptomatic but got hit by a bus and killed that was a Covid death.

Rant over this time.

Very good post not much I can disagree with.

Also have family who work frontline NHS and their opinion of what's went on is quite scathing.

I'll no go over my opinion of the organisation again....pretty well documented.

Was in pc world there getting a new cable.

An auld woman asked me if I was in the queue for paying or repair but pulled her mask down to ask me.

She then realised I never had a mask on......she would have beat Usain Bolt over 50 yards......never hung about for my reply.

The fear these politicians have instilled in people especially the elderly (normally my arch enemy) is just incredible.......I actually feel sorry for them.

[Returnofrros]

I was careful not to single out Nicola. All governments will be in deep trouble if their economies crash. For Scotland it might be that the removal of furlough will be catastrophic, and provide the perfect opportunity for more SNP victim politics. do you think that the Westminster Government should withdraw furlough as planned and allow Holyrood to try to borrow what they want to carry on the furlough system?

A bit of me thinks we are ****ed anyway so why not continue......another bit thinks no when your ****ed stop.

The furlough scheme has been abused and probably a lot more that most of us will ever know.

Politicians usually make decisions on the basis of polls and how it will effect their chances.

Gut feeling there will be an exstension in a few areas.

[Deeranged]

What do they gain by social control?

Experimentation. They see we comply totally as a society and the door's open to them to start implementing pretty much anything they like for pretty much any reason they feel.

Freedom is currently a concept of the past, will it be a concept for the future?

[Returnofrros]

Experimentation. They see we comply totally as a society and the door's open to them to start implementing pretty much anything they like for pretty much any reason they feel.

Freedom is currently a concept of the past, will it be a concept for the future?

And it's so so so precious.

[noahrab]

You know nobody who has died,and still think the government is doing a bad job? You think that because you don't know anyone who has died that there is no worry over covid,despite the number of deaths worldwide? Really???

Nicola Sturgeon has done a fantastic job despite the best efforts of Boris and his mates, but you will argue with the statistics,the facts,and anything else that does not agree with your own personal agenda.

What a pile of shyte.

You can show me where I said their is ‘no worry’ over Covid?

A fantastic job? How many people died in care homes as a result of the Scottish government moving untested, and those with a positive test result, into the homes?

Why do you mention ‘Boris and his mates’?

What is my personal agenda?

In yer own time.

[noahrab]

I agree with the sentiment expressed here that just because we don't know anyone who has suffered is not a valid excuse. I think that if the world collected all the same stats for anything like flu, like malaria, like dysentry every year the number of deaths would dwarf the number who have died with covid 19.

Saving us from covid-19 might seem a phyrric victory for all govenrments, if the economy crashes.

Who used it as a ‘valid excuse’?

An excuse for what?