Annual GERS Figures

[BCram]

Democracy is going with the majority right? The majority of people who voted in the Indy Ref wanted to remain part of the UK. It wasn't that long ago.

Until there is another referendum, and there surely will be at some point despite it being a so called once in a generation vote, i'm afraid Scotland chose to remain part of the Union.

Dress it up any old way, but that is the fact.

completely agree with you hmac. there will be another referendum and the people of Scotland will decide. If it is for independnece then I cna't see the Unionists bothering to to start a campaign to Remain. There might well be some new politicial parties , not linked to England, and the same old discussions about socialism and capitalism will carry on. We might find ourselves moving away from the socialist dominated rhetoric of politicians that is based on making rich people poorer and find a Scandinavian ethic that makes everyone responsible for their own welfare and that of their fellow citizens.

[noahrab]

completely agree with you hmac. there will be another referendum and the people of Scotland will decide. If it is for independnece then I cna't see the Unionists bothering to to start a campaign to Remain. There might well be some new politicial parties , not linked to England, and the same old discussions about socialism and capitalism will carry on. We might find ourselves moving away from the socialist dominated rhetoric of politicians that is based on making rich people poorer and find a Scandinavian ethic that makes everyone responsible for their own welfare and that of their fellow citizens.

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

[BCram]

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

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What health policies do they dictate to us?

Which education policies do they dictate to us?

Tell you what then Noah, you show me where I mentioned health or education and I'll consider biting.

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Democracy is going with the majority right? The majority of people who voted in the Indy Ref wanted to remain part of the UK. It wasn't that long ago.

Until there is another referendum, and there surely will be at some point despite it being a so called once in a generation vote, i'm afraid Scotland chose to remain part of the Union.

Dress it up any old way, but that is the fact.

I'm not arguing that point H. If you read my post I said many not the majority.

The number that voted to split was too high to simply be ignored and waved away, it doesn't take much of a change to cause a swing the other way and that change has happened with the latest yougov poll now showing 53% of the population for independence. OK it's just a poll but if the UK government doesn't address the incompetence and corruption at its top that percentage will likely increase I reckon.

[BCram]

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

Need to correct this post. we did have a referendum on Brexit, forgot about David Cameron's referendum. there was a very simple economic arguement that never really got debunked even after the referendum had been lost by Cameron. the Brexit bus that said we pay £2bn a year to europe, that is equivalent to £350m EXTRA per week that we could give to the NHS. I don't think that is a lie. inso far as we did pay large sums of money into the system and got back less than we put in. there was also the take back control of our borders and our laws.

[BCram]

I'm not arguing that point H. If you read my post I said many not the majority.

The number that voted to split was too high to simply be ignored and waved away, it doesn't take much of a change to cause a swing the other way and that change has happened with the latest yougov poll now showing 53% of the population for independence. OK it's just a poll but if the UK government doesn't address the incompetence and corruption at its top that percentage will likely increase I reckon.

Are you talking about the Scottish Governments incompetence and corruption?

[noahrab]

Tell you what then Noah, you show me where I mentioned health or education and I'll consider biting.

“We often have governments foisted upon us that we don't want (Tories) who dictate their policies, the policies voted for by the English electorate, to us. If you have policies forced upon you by an unelected government how else can you define it?“

What policies are dictated to us?

I mention health and education as they are the ones that use the biggest budgets.

[BCram]

“We often have governments foisted upon us that we don't want (Tories) who dictate their policies, the policies voted for by the English electorate, to us. If you have policies forced upon you by an unelected government how else can you define it?“

What policies are dictated to us?

I mention health and education as they are the ones that use the biggest budgets.

They also are 100% controlled by holyrood and that would seem to me to make them an example of areas which are not subject to Westminster diktat.

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Are you talking about the Scottish Governments incompetence and corruption?

No, that's different incompetence. However if independence was gained there would be no SNP so their incompetence would be moot