THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[ThaiPie]

"Judging purely by “results”, with the word meaning “a thing that is caused or produced by something else; a consequence or outcome,”

Result can also simply mean - Score i.e. 1-0

[Davy500]

"Judging purely by “results”, with the word meaning “a thing that is caused or produced by something else; a consequence or outcome,”

Result can also simply mean - Score i.e. 1-0

Wel exactly its true but harsh a manager is judged on results especially in key games . just to add a bit of fun in one of warnocks memories at interview for managers job- them - we don’t like your Style or tactics - warnock - do u like winning football ?

[kill_the_drum]

To be honest he seems to be a below average manager , but a nice person.
He cant seem to change his system when up against it , (are Harrogate really that much better than us , they shouldn't be)
The season he took us down he played insipid football when we needed blood, guts, passion and desire.
Last season we got flashes of individual brilliance , glimpses of great team play , but in the main were served up a menu of insipid football.
Here we are , a season and a half later and I'm still hoping he can get it right , but it seems we still have the same old problems as we had with him from day one.
His lack of capabilities have cost us a semi final and promotion.
were we unlucky in those games ? or played of the park by (in my eyes) an inferior club that has no right in making us look like school boys.
The Upshot is , it's to early in the new season to get rid , the only option we have is to hope he can get it right at the third time of asking.
Fingers crossed . toes and all extremities crossed he can

And you stated as fact that we would finish bottom half last season if we kept with Ardley and now you’re saying it’s his fault we lost a play off final. You’ve had to raise the bar quite a bit there mate to carry on criticising him.
I genuinely can’t see how that play off final was lost because of Ardleys capabilities. It was plain and simple that a few of our players didn’t turn up and had a bad game. They were inferior to Harrogate on the day just as Barnet were inferior to us the week before.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

And you stated as fact that we would finish bottom half last season if we kept with Ardley and now you’re saying it’s his fault we lost a play off final. You’ve had to raise the bar quite a bit there mate to carry on criticising him.
I genuinely can’t see how that play off final was lost because of Ardleys capabilities. It was plain and simple that a few of our players didn’t turn up and had a bad game. They were inferior to Harrogate on the day just as Barnet were inferior to us the week before.

I'm saying he got us relegated and he lost us a paly of final and a semi final.
He's the manager, he manages the players, if they are having a bad game he pulls them off and changes the team and tactics accordingly.
we shouldn't have an off day, especially to a team like Harrogate.
Ps the signing of Roberts probably stopped us finishing in mid table mediocrity as it added an attacking dimension to our play that Ardley seemed unable to provide without him, although there was enough already in the squad available to him such as
Enzio and Osbourne , if used correctly.
which bad game are you on about ?
the play off final or the semi final , That's two bad games if you mean both ? xxx

[uysapie]

I'm saying he got us relegated and he lost us a paly of final and a semi final.
He's the manager, he manages the players, if they are having a bad game he pulls them off and changes the team and tactics accordingly.
we shouldn't have an off day, especially to a team like Harrogate.
Ps the signing of Roberts probably stopped us finishing in mid table mediocrity as it added an attacking dimension to our play that Ardley seemed unable to provide without him, although there was enough already in the squad available to him such as
Enzio and Osbourne , if used correctly.
which bad game are you on about ?
the play off final or the semi final , That's two bad games if you mean both ? xxx

He seems to bottle it when it really matters. Does not make me think that he has a an attacking philosophy but I suspect that he will be in situ for this season.

[Bridg4d_Pie_]

Judging purely by “results”, with the word meaning “a thing that is caused or produced by something else; a consequence or outcome,” Neal Ardley, or indeed any other manager under the current circumstances, should have been fired a long time ago. In an honourable society however, he would have resigned. Despite the dire conditions brought about by Covid we still have a club thanks to the Reedtz family and on paper, and from what I have seen so far, we appear to have a very good squad; one that could easily win promotion if it had a sense of direction, purpose and solid leadership. We don’t need and cannot afford endless experimentation in the hope that things will go right on the pitch sometime in the distant future. It is abundantly clear that the manager cannot inspire and lead our teams. I am fully aware of the pitfalls of managerial roundabouts but unless he is replaced soon we will go into oblivion with the usual excuses. If I were daddy Reedtz I would be saying to my boys, “Listen lads. I admire your ambition, drive and loyalty, but your man’s time is up. He’s had his chances and you need fresh blood, or else”. Gamblers compound their losses by gambling more and more in the hope of winning and we cannot allow the manager to gamble our club away.

Yep, Sacking the Manager now is definitely the way forward, that is precisely why we are, where we are now or have you not followed the Pies in recent years and seen the Revolving Doors keep swinging.

To change manager now would be suicidal the one thing this Club needs is Stability in the current situation we find the country in, we are not even sure if the season will start on October 3rd.

[Woodsetts_Pie]

With performances like the other night, this squad, no matter how good it looks on paper, will finish mid table at best.

[sidders]

Assuming the season starts (which may prove unlikely) I would give Ardley until 20 games to prove himself with a 50% win rate (at the very least). I like NA and I believe the players do, but Elite has gone some way to persuading me that tactics are not his strong suit. It would be so good to have a competent gaffer who was also a decent human being.

[Elite_Pie]

I like NA and I believe the players do, but Elite has gone some way to persuading me that tactics are not his strong suit.

It's not especially tactics sid, because I'm sure Ardley knows far more than I do about diamonds, 5-3-2 formations etc. My gripe is more about the lack of variation and the lack of attacking intent he always shows. The Harrogate game on Tuesday was a perfect example, specifically the ease with which they saw out the last 15 minutes. They had looked in control from the start, and we offered very little in terms of attacking threat. For those last 15 minutes I would have gambled, because losing 0-1 is no different to losing 0-5 in a cup game. I would have done something like put Rawlinson up front and play with three at the back. Get bodies in their area and pump a few high balls to try and put them under pressure. Ardley just persisted with what had failed for the first 75 minutes, and Harrogate coasted to Wembley with ease.

[LaxtonLad]

It's not especially tactics sid, because I'm sure Ardley knows far more than I do about diamonds, 5-3-2 formations etc. My gripe is more about the lack of variation and the lack of attacking intent he always shows. The Harrogate game on Tuesday was a perfect example, specifically the ease with which they saw out the last 15 minutes. They had looked in control from the start, and we offered very little in terms of attacking threat. For those last 15 minutes I would have gambled, because losing 0-1 is no different to losing 0-5 in a cup game. I would have done something like put Rawlinson up front and play with three at the back. Get bodies in their area and pump a few high balls to try and put them under pressure. Ardley just persisted with what had failed for the first 75 minutes, and Harrogate coasted to Wembley with ease.

Ardley must have thought losing 1-0 is better than losing 2-0. One goal against is much better than two and looks like we could have drawn or won. Only one goal in it, eh?