O/T:- Covid Trump

[SwalePie]

Texas changed it's mind and can now limit the number of vote 'drop off' points, potentially suppressing the vote. The Banana Republic strikes back?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54475466

[LaxtonLad]

With all the lies told and the sh*t stirred by Trump he can't lose, a win and he's laughing, a loss and he'll say the postal vote was tampered with.

[drillerpie]

Only slightly related to the topic on hand but some people might enjoy this interview with journalist Matt Taibbi about the evolution of the news media and polarisation.

https://youtu.be/mG1qJeDI9Ok

[magpie_mania]

^If only this were true

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/o...ons-trump.html

Thanks for that assuring article!

Trump, recovering from Covid after a cocktail of drugs is a quite frightening thought!

[upthemaggies]

Thanks for that assuring article!

Trump, recovering from Covid after a cocktail of drugs is a quite frightening thought!

Bill Perry, one of the two men responsible for that article, is a former United States Secretary of Defense. He gave an interview to Sam Harris three months ago for bedtime listening.
"The Logic of Doomsday"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVnwc4rZI_0

[drillerpie]

Bill Perry, one of the two men responsible for that article, is a former United States Secretary of Defense. He gave an interview to Sam Harris three months ago for bedtime listening.
"The Logic of Doomsday"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVnwc4rZI_0

That was a very interesting episode. I remember him doing others on the topic as well, I think it was something he was making a conscious effort to draw attention to just before Covid then BLM happened so he ended up getting distracted.

I seem remember one episode in which he told the story of some unknown heroes who were ordered to launch but either waited or disregarded the orders so literally saved the world.

[drillerpie]

Can't disagree. Just to highlight how dysfunctional his presidency is, I read an article recently saying that Fred Perry have banned the sale of their black polo tops with yellow trim to America. They were concerned that the proud boys were wearing them as a uniform. This was before the presidential debate.

Trump's response when asked about them at the debate a few days later? “Proud Boys – stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what. I’ll tell you what. Somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a rightwing problem.”

It comes to something when a British clothing company takes more action against an American extremist right wing group than the American president.

There is a grain of truth to the fact that Antifa (or groups inspired by that ideology, for those people who think Antifa doesn't exist) get something of a free pass from large parts of the media.

Obviously I'm not equating them to right wing militias, who I think I'm right in saying even before this kidnap plot were considered as dangerous as Islamic terror cells by the FBI, but they do regularly engage in unpleasant behaviour which is either not reported or explained away. Trump takes this grain of truth and exaggerates it, distorts it, and makes false equivalences from it. Trump is in my opinion a bad man acting in bad faith, but I think the current media climate enables him to do that to a certain degree.

These right-wing types have always had a fascination with Fred Perry shirts, which is strange considering he was apparently very much against that sort of thing. I remember travelling around Europe when I was younger while wearing my Fred Perry polo shirt and sporting very short hair, and a bunch of skinheads coming over to me to shake my hand. I was young and naive at the time so it took me a while to figure it out!

[cher1]

There is a grain of truth to the fact that Antifa (or groups inspired by that ideology, for those people who think Antifa doesn't exist) get something of a free pass from large parts of the media.

Obviously I'm not equating them to right wing militias, who I think I'm right in saying even before this kidnap plot were considered as dangerous as Islamic terror cells by the FBI, but they do regularly engage in unpleasant behaviour which is either not reported or explained away. Trump takes this grain of truth and exaggerates it, distorts it, and makes false equivalences from it. Trump is in my opinion a bad man acting in bad faith, but I think the current media climate enables him to do that to a certain degree.

These right-wing types have always had a fascination with Fred Perry shirts, which is strange considering he was apparently very much against that sort of thing. I remember travelling around Europe when I was younger while wearing my Fred Perry polo shirt and sporting very short hair, and a bunch of skinheads coming over to me to shake my hand. I was young and naive at the time so it took me a while to figure it out!

Trump is clever enough to give his supporters something to latch on to that does include a grain of truth. That said, someone was talking about how dangerous the far left were on here a while ago. I remember looking the figures up and posting them and I think the far right had killed 150+ people in the US in recent years against 0 from the far left. Apologies in advance if the figures aren't quite correct but they were someing like that.

It's clear where the most danger lies, but agree that extremism on either side is unacceptable, but unpleasant is less bad than murderous of course. Still, that doesn't fit the orange one's agenda,so throwing out the odd crumb of truth in amongst spreading fear, division and hatred worked well for Trump last time. Who knows what'll happen this time.

[TheBlackHorse]

... forgive me if others have spotted this. If ever you felt conned about CV 19 then this is a must watch. Patience required - it's 49 minutes and
if ever you understood F.E.A.R. (False Evidence Appearing Real), then this is it - https://youtu.be/o98UoxP53T0

[maddogslater]

Only slightly related to the topic on hand but some people might enjoy this interview with journalist Matt Taibbi about the evolution of the news media and polarisation.

https://youtu.be/mG1qJeDI9Ok

Joe Rogan did a very interesting podcast with Matt