A Perfect Storm

[durhampie]

He was sacked for relegating his team.
That's his legacy.

[legs77]

I am baffled by the reception Burchnall has received. He is well-regarded in Scandinavia and was generating interest from teams well above us. Just give him a chance!!!!

Some serious toys being thrown after just 3 weeks! We all know this squad is flawed. Before he came in we could barely get a shot on target. I think some have forgotten just how bleak it was under Ardley. I have seen signs of improvement and Burchnall hasn't said anything I've disagreed with yet.

Maybe some of you don't like his delivery? Or that he has staring eyes? It's just weird. People need to calm down and get behind the club and the owners.

He has taken some incredible stick really.

A few jibes thrown his way are never played the game and classroom manager.

Plenty of players from the top leagues have managed and done nothing but they keep getting good jobs im looking at the likes of Steve Bruce here.

He might turn out to be a failure who knows ?

[KCNotts]

I think you are over-reacting. Of course people will give him a chance, I guess that a concern from some is that however bleak you say it was under Ardley, a Wembley final and safely within the play-offs looked likely. The argument was so often put that 'anyone ought to be able to get this squad promoted'. Suddenly the same squad is requiring a major rebuild and we've seen that someone else probably won't get us promoted, although I do think we will make it into the play-offs.

Who are the teams who were generating interest in IB?

But Ardley has gone and as you say, we have to get behind the club and the owners.

I'm over reacting?! Weird.

I think the people calling for the owners to go and saying Burchnall is useless after 3 weeks with somebody else's squad are over reacting.

Two of the teams mentioned were Barnsley and Iceland. There were probably more. I think the owners went for him now because they didn't want to miss the opportunity.

[magpie_mania]

I'm over reacting?! Weird.

I think the people calling for the owners to go and saying Burchnall is useless after 3 weeks with somebody else's squad are over reacting.

Two of the teams mentioned were Barnsley and Iceland. There were probably more. I think the owners went for him now because they didn't want to miss the opportunity.

I can't see many who are calling for the owners to go or that he is useless. legs77 says he has taken some incredible stick, but I am not sure where.

Do you realise that you have told everyone that they should get behind the club and the owners. That is exactly what some of us have been doing, but took stick because we were 'pro-Ardley'. We were getting behind the owners when they were backing him. So please don't lecture us on what we should be doing when we have been!

I am supportive of the club and owners which means I was behind NA and now will be IB. Isn't that what supporting the club means?

[KCNotts]

I can't see many who are calling for the owners to go or that he is useless. legs77 says he has taken some incredible stick, but I am not sure where.

Do you realise that you have told everyone that they should get behind the club and the owners. That is exactly what some of us have been doing, but took stick because we were 'pro-Ardley'. We were getting behind the owners when they were backing him. So please don't lecture us on what we should be doing when we have been!

I am supportive of the club and owners which means I was behind NA and now will be IB. Isn't that what supporting the club means?

I can't even be bothered.

You keep on doing you Mania. x

[magpie_mania]

I can't even be bothered.

You keep on doing you Mania. x

Well, pretty simple question I asked - I think what you meant isn't 'I can't be bothered' but 'I'd rather not answer that question!'

The question was: 'I am supportive of the club and owners which means I was behind NA and now will be IB. Isn't that what supporting the club means?'

[crazyfists]

Something is wrong in the state of Denmark and you don’t have to be a member of CSI to expose the evidence: -
- A club which has been in financial and emotional turmoil for decades.
- New owners with no experience whatsoever of running a professional football club.
- A new coach with no experience of English league football and a poor track record overseas.
- A team made up of mercenaries with loyalties to their wallets and not the club; win or lose they’ll still get paid and if their contracts are not extended, they’ll find another club.
Assuming that one can’t blame all the other staff members, Covid 19, the weather, the ground, the pitch, the facilities, the pies and the supporters, where else should one look to effect a remedy?
Perhaps the pre-match meals are laced with something which addles the player’s brains, or is it the pre-match instructions which go in one ear and out the other, particularly when players don’t respect their leaders, or their tactics?
Let’s not kid ourselves, vainly hoping that things get better will not solve the problem and the loyal supporters being positive in their outlook will not help either.
The overall situation is bad now and logically needs to be tackled now and not put off until next season as seems to be the master plan.

Fooooookin hell this site is getting ridiculous, absolutely full of sausages. If we want to implement a new style of play under IB which we all do as everyone moaned about how little attacking we did under Ardley then you're going to need players with different skill sets then the ones we have. If you wanted your business to take a new direction then you give current staff chance to retrain but if they can't get it then you probably have to get new staff in with different skill sets to take you where you want to go. Nothing is different in this scenario, he can't make the players suddenly be good at stuff they're not and he isn't able to bring anyone in to change it yet. We've seen him make changes to alter matches, if you listen to his post match interviews he knows exactly what's wrong but can't do much about it at the moment apart from try and train them but as I say most won't be able to change their abilities to suit.

I can't believe the stupidity of people moaning on about the manager when he can do pretty much **** all about it, he's been left with a bad squad who Ardley got playing his defensive, safety first style, they are not going to go to a free flowing expansive style overnight with the same personnel.

Please engage brains before posting.

[Supporter since 1951]

Fooooookin hell this site is getting ridiculous, absolutely full of sausages. If we want to implement a new style of play under IB which we all do as everyone moaned about how little attacking we did under Ardley then you're going to need players with different skill sets then the ones we have. If you wanted your business to take a new direction then you give current staff chance to retrain but if they can't get it then you probably have to get new staff in with different skill sets to take you where you want to go. Nothing is different in this scenario, he can't make the players suddenly be good at stuff they're not and he isn't able to bring anyone in to change it yet. We've seen him make changes to alter matches, if you listen to his post match interviews he knows exactly what's wrong but can't do much about it at the moment apart from try and train them but as I say most won't be able to change their abilities to suit.

I can't believe the stupidity of people moaning on about the manager when he can do pretty much **** all about it, he's been left with a bad squad who Ardley got playing his defensive, safety first style, they are not going to go to a free flowing expansive style overnight with the same personnel.

Please engage brains before posting.

Let me explain as I am not hypothesising, over dramatizing, but talking with over fifty years of experience in international finance; particularly risk finance which includes movies and sport. The simple fact is that if you have enough money, you can buy anything you want; including a football club. The fact that you have the money does not mean that you can actually run a football club on a daily basis and make it a success. You can have business plans etc., but unless you employ the right people you will fail and lose all your money. Over 90% of business plans are abandoned on takeover.
Many successful businessmen have tried their luck at buying and owning football clubs. Subsequently, many of these people, experts in their own field, have failed miserably. We have had Ray Trew and Alan Hardy. They came with good intentions and failed. They should be respected and not pillaged as they didn’t arrive to fail.
We have relatively young owners and we all wish them well. However, they have never run a football club. If they had to raise the funds for the purchase of the club through banks and other financial institutions, the salient questions which would have been asked are – “Have you run a football club before?” “What do you know about football in England ?” “Who are you bringing on board to run and manage the club?” Does this individual have a track record?” In my experience they would not have raised the funding.
Now, the Reedtz brothers may have spent years dreaming of owning a football club. And why not? They may have raised money for the dream, formulated business plans and finally looked at actually buying a club. They chose Notts and at that point they should have thrown away their business plan as every club has its own negative history. At the same time, Covid 19 has decimated all business plans and the mightiest of companies have fallen as a result. Personally, I don’t envy them.
The FACTS indicate that we are in a perfect storm and at the moment nothing can be guaranteed for the future particularly when the third wave of Covid arrives.
The Club may have a level of funding, it may have courageous young owners but this is not the time to experiment. In essence, the club has no leadership whatsoever.
It needs a recognised and respected leader with charisma, not necessarily a manager or a director but someone with experience who can help guide and inspire the existing team members; and I am not talking about the usual suspects. I am talking about a big name who could well be retired.

[Old_pie]

Let me explain as I am not hypothesising, over dramatizing, but talking with over fifty years of experience in international finance; particularly risk finance which includes movies and sport. The simple fact is that if you have enough money, you can buy anything you want; including a football club. The fact that you have the money does not mean that you can actually run a football club on a daily basis and make it a success. You can have business plans etc., but unless you employ the right people you will fail and lose all your money. Over 90% of business plans are abandoned on takeover.
Many successful businessmen have tried their luck at buying and owning football clubs. Subsequently, many of these people, experts in their own field, have failed miserably. We have had Ray Trew and Alan Hardy. They came with good intentions and failed. They should be respected and not pillaged as they didn’t arrive to fail.

Their business plans were "Championship in 5 years or we go bust". That alone became responsible for some irrational decisions.

We have relatively young owners and we all wish them well. However, they have never run a football club.

How many owners have? RT barely had and AH ran a youth team at most.

If they had to raise the funds for the purchase of the club through banks and other financial institutions, the salient questions which would have been asked are – “Have you run a football club before?” “What do you know about football in England ?” “Who are you bringing on board to run and manage the club?” Does this individual have a track record?” In my experience they would not have raised the funding.

Same questions to RT, AH and dozens more owners.

Now, the Reedtz brothers may have spent years dreaming of owning a football club. And why not? They may have raised money for the dream, formulated business plans and finally looked at actually buying a club. They chose Notts and at that point they should have thrown away their business plan as every club has its own negative history.

Why? Do you know what their business plan is?

At the same time, Covid 19 has decimated all business plans and the mightiest of companies have fallen as a result. Personally, I don’t envy them.

It will have caused many businesses to revise their business plans. Look around, some businesses are still going. Tried to get into a golf club recently?

The FACTS indicate that we are in a perfect storm and at the moment nothing can be guaranteed for the future particularly when the third wave of Covid arrives.

You are making presumptions.

The Club may have a level of funding, it may have courageous young owners but this is not the time to experiment. In essence, the club has no leadership whatsoever.
It needs a recognised and respected leader with charisma, not necessarily a manager or a director but someone with experience who can help guide and inspire the existing team members; and I am not talking about the usual suspects. I am talking about a big name who could well be retired.

You are melodramatically making presumptions. Maybe they are prepared to learn on the job. Maybe they are patient and don't panic. Maybe the recognised that NA wasn't meeting a program of progressive improvement, or maybe they left NA there until someone who more nearly matched their requirements became available in the absence of success. They've already shown they are prepared to take action if needed, have shown no signs of "must do this or that" by a certain date. The club would need some disastrous mismanagement to drop another level and maybe they can see that even if we went up this year we don't have the right squad to sustain then next level so it would be a rebuild then.

RT and AH walked into perfect storms without Covid with their impatience and desire for adulation. Maybe these guys are a bit different. How long did Sirrel take to get us out of the basement?

I don't think 50 years in international finance is serving you well in your analysis here.

[SwalePie]

Their business plans were "Championship in 5 years or we go bust". That alone became responsible for some irrational decisions.



How many owners have? RT barely had and AH ran a youth team at most.



Same questions to RT, AH and dozens more owners.


Why? Do you know what their business plan is?



It will have caused many businesses to revise their business plans. Look around, some businesses are still going. Tried to get into a golf club recently?



You are making presumptions.



You are melodramatically making presumptions. Maybe they are prepared to learn on the job. Maybe they are patient and don't panic. Maybe the recognised that NA wasn't meeting a program of progressive improvement, or maybe they left NA there until someone who more nearly matched their requirements became available in the absence of success. They've already shown they are prepared to take action if needed, have shown no signs of "must do this or that" by a certain date. The club would need some disastrous mismanagement to drop another level and maybe they can see that even if we went up this year we don't have the right squad to sustain then next level so it would be a rebuild then.

RT and AH walked into perfect storms without Covid with their impatience and desire for adulation. Maybe these guys are a bit different. How long did Sirrel take to get us out of the basement?

I don't think 50 years in international finance is serving you well in your analysis here.

Yep. All of that.