Wolves v Burnley Match Preview

[sinkov]

If Cork had rolled around like he had been shot like the cheating tw@t who dived for the penalty, he would have had a straight red sinkov. Lucky lad, but Charlie had him in his back pocket all afternoon.

They highlighted this anomaly BT, on MOTD. I've said it many times, the big problem in football is referees, they ensure it pays to cheat, so players cheat. Perfect example here, it would have paid Jack Cork and Burnley for him to cheat and pretend Traore had really hurt him. But he didn't so Traore stays on the pitch. I just hope MOTD keeps highlighting this refereeing problem, it might eventually persuade them to do their job properly, which will be to the benefit of the game of football, at the moment they're letting it down.

[Supersub6]

First player to manage it in the EPL this century warminster, I'm sure Supersub6 will be along in a moment to confirm it.

BT ---I don't do the statistics that the media make a fuss of, I prefer to give you the obscure things like Traore's stats against us -----which have deteriorated again after yesterday
The incident with Cork was nothing serious nad was well handled by the ref. I understood Tarkowski's frustration with Podence, particularly, after Podence's outburst afterwe had beaten them earlier in the season. Tarks was annoyed that Podence was trying to con the officials into giving them a penalty, tried to 'persuade' him to get up by holding his arm and it all kicked off.
Too many people got involved, Traore reacted and his pushing Cork off could easily have resulted in a red card, however, a yellow was sufficient. The worst part of all the kerfuffle was that for a few minutes afterwards if made Wolves play a bit.

I have no doubt that Sean sorted things out at half time and told our lads to get on with winning the game without getting involved in silly things. It worked!

[sinkov]

Too many people got involved, Traore reacted and his pushing Cork off could easily have resulted in a red card, however, a yellow was sufficient.

I know it's only conjecture Sub, but I'm interested in your opinion.

IF Cork had fallen to the ground clutching his face,

1) Do you think the ref would have shown Traore a red card ?

2) A slightly different question, in the case that Cork had gone to ground, according the the laws, should the ref had should the ref have shown Traore a red card ?

[Supersub6]

I know it's only conjecture Sub, but I'm interested in your opinion.

IF Cork had fallen to the ground clutching his face,

1) Do you think the ref would have shown Traore a red card ?

2) A slightly different question, in the case that Cork had gone to ground, according the the laws, should the ref had should the ref have shown Traore a red card ?

In answer to your questions sinkov, the question first must be asked:- Did the referee see Traore's actions or was he involved trying to sort out the other pushing and shoving that was going on? Technically, if you don't see it, you can't act on it ---you can't guess!
VAR obviously had a look at the whole incident and, from a common sense point of view, surmised that none of this would have happened had Tarks not taken exception to Podence's attempted cheating and grabbed his arm. My biggest surprise in all of that was that it was reported that VAR was looking at a possible penalty -----for what? I really can't answer your question because I was not the referee and there is no way I could know what he saw or was thinking. I thought that he dealt with the situation very well to be honest.

I don't know what should have happened as far as the modern game is concerned and 'according to the laws', it all leaves me cold, particularly when I see players receiving red cards for kicking the ball!

In my day, both playing and officiating, I would have told all the players involved to stop buggering about and being stupid, booked Tarks for what he did and, had I seen Traore's action, I would have booked him and warned them both that they were walking the tightrope because any future transgressions could result in a second caution and dismissal.

My take on the way that the game is going has prompted me to bring in a set of instructions to be followed by managers in their pre-match talks.

New instructions to be given by managers to players will have to be along the lines of 'don't kick the ball whatever you do because you may also kick an opponent' Instructions to be issued before the start of the game so that nobdy kicks the ball to kick off, half tiie will arrive with 5 players from each side having been cautioned for time wasting because the officials couldn't persuade anyone to kick off. They will of course add on 10 minutes to complete the half.
Teams will come out for the second half and follow the same procedure, another 5 players from each side cautioned etc.,etc.
End of game with no players injured, no VAR involvement, and the pundits will pontificate for a further half hour on what may have happened.

Sorry guys, however, this is the way that the game is going and I still haven't worked out what they are trying to achieve with the use of VAR and the instructions to officials. Answers on a postage stamp please.

[sinkov]

"My take on the way that the game is going has prompted me to bring in a set of instructions to be followed by managers in their pre-match talks."

The vast majority of the games many problems could be solved by the body responsible for referees issuing the following instructions to referees, 'Forget all the directives, the nonsense, especially regarding handball, we've been forcing on you these last few years, from now on referee according to the laws of the game, using solely your own judgement, experience and common sense.'

It wouldn't eradicate every problem, there would still be mistakes, wrong decisions, controversies, talking points, disputes etc, but it would eradicate an awful lot of them, and the game would be a million times better off for it. Won't happen though.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

It's the inconsistency that upsets me Supersub6 and when FIFA & EUFA were selling us this tripe, the selling point was that referees would all sing from the same hymn sheet. Week in, week out this is just not happening. These toenail offside decisions are bloody awful too.

[sinkov]

It's the inconsistency that upsets me Supersub6 and when FIFA & EUFA were selling us this tripe, the selling point was that referees would all sing from the same hymn sheet. Week in, week out this is just not happening.

Big Sam hit the nail on the head regarding the two dubious pens in the Villa/WBA game, they were both given so he had no complaints, it's when one is given and the other not that it causes a problem. Like you said BT, we all just want consistency, but consistency in refereeing decisions is non-existent.

[Supersub6]

We are all forgetting that football is no longer a game for the true fans. It has been taken over by TV and the media who, misguidedly, are trying to promote it as something special throughout the world.
They have, in effect, introduced so much gimmickry with VAR and changes to The Laws that the game is now changing so much that it is getting away from what the true fan wants.

Is this because of the modern type of fan who just wants to see lots of passing, no real tackles going in, no physical contact of any kind? Who knows, however, I know which game I prefer to watch and it isn't the media driven one.

Go back to having officials left alone to do their job without any outside interference whatsoever. Just accept that, because they are human, mistakes will be made, however, they give what they see and are there purely and simply to try to ensure fair play in the middle of a lot of players who ae constantly trying to bend the rules ----as it always has been!

Of course, we all know, that this has no chance of happening, therefore, accept that the game is buggered at the top level and go and watch non-league footie!

[sinkov]

We are all forgetting that football is no longer a game for the true fans. It has been taken over by TV and the media who, misguidedly, are trying to promote it as something special throughout the world.
They have, in effect, introduced so much gimmickry with VAR and changes to The Laws that the game is now changing so much that it is getting away from what the true fan wants.

Is this because of the modern type of fan who just wants to see lots of passing, no real tackles going in, no physical contact of any kind? Who knows, however, I know which game I prefer to watch and it isn't the media driven one.

Go back to having officials left alone to do their job without any outside interference whatsoever. Just accept that, because they are human, mistakes will be made, however, they give what they see and are there purely and simply to try to ensure fair play in the middle of a lot of players who ae constantly trying to bend the rules ----as it always has been!

Of course, we all know, that this has no chance of happening, therefore, accept that the game is buggered at the top level and go and watch non-league footie!

It's not the media introducing gimmickry, VAR, tinkering with the laws and issuing nonensical directives Sub, the media point out problems within the game, as they should, it's the clowns running football that tinker, and just make things worse all the time.

[sinkov]

" I really can't answer your question because I was not the referee and there is no way I could know what he saw or was thinking. I thought that he dealt with the situation very well to be honest."

I don't understand that Sub, no one can ever know what a ref is thinking so that is irrelevant, but we know what he saw, which was Traore pushing his palm into Cork's face, he must have seen that or he wouldn't have given Traore a yellow card, So the question remains valid, having seen Cork remain on his feet and deemed Traore's offence to have been worthy of only a yellow, do you think it would have been a red card, had Cork fallen to the ground clutching his face in apparent agony ? For what it's worth I'm sure it would, it would be a remarkable referee who would allow a player to knock another to the ground by hitting him in the face, and deem it not a red card offence. Which leads me to the same conclusion the muppets on MOTD came to, that it was ONLY a yellow because Cork stayed on his feet. which is not how refereeing should work.

I can't agree that the ref handled the situation well, I'm still trying to work out why he allowed play to continue with a player lying prone on the ground in close proximity to the penalty spot. It was unfair on both teams to expect them to attack and defend the goal with a player lying in that area, it was dangerous in that both sets of players could have fallen, or tripped, over him causing themselves injury, or the player himself could have been trampled on or kicked in the head. The game should have been stopped by the ref long before the Tarko incident arose. It was poor refereeing that allowed the incident, which ended up with two players getting yellow cards, one of them very lucky it wasn't a red, to develop in the first place. With a ref doing his job properly, none of it would have happened.