Villa sack smith

[baggieal]

Nope not going

Thought so! No doubt you will be hoping we lose to come on here moaning! Some supporter!

[viaductbaggies]

If we play the same as we have and Livermore n hugill play I probably will yes

I’m not blinkered like a few on here

Would love to of seen people posts if it was Pulis Moore allardyce serving up this ****e week after week

[saltnshake]

If we play the same as we have and Livermore n hugill play I probably will yes

I’m not blinkered like a few on here

Would love to of seen people posts if it was Pulis Moore allardyce serving up this ****e week after week

The football under Pulis was far worse considering the squad we had than this, Allardyce was given the chance to stay and Moore had far better strikers than Val currently has, my opinion has nothing to do with been blinkered just a realist that has watched the baggies for 45 years and understands currently with the owner where this club is going.

[baggiematt]

If we play the same as we have and Livermore n hugill play I probably will yes

I’m not blinkered like a few on here

Would love to of seen people posts if it was Pulis Moore allardyce serving up this ****e week after week

All three of those managers did serve up ****e most weeks - Moore and Allardyce weren't successful managers for us and Pulis bored us to death.

Thing I don't get is what you expect? We have a strikeforce with an abysmal goal/game ratio. Add up Robinson, Diangana, Grant, Phillips and Hugill's goals to games and logic tells you that we wouldn't have 1 goal per game between the lot of them, and we only play 3 up top!

You think some magician can get them firing when others haven't? You think a bit of flexibility and a shout of 'keep it on the ground' and we're in the automatics? Give your head a wobble. We don't have a single premier league quality player and any manager would need time to fix what is currently available to them.

[mickd1961]

People forget that not only did we lose our main output in terms of goals in Diagne and Perreira but we also had to turn to players humiliated by Big Sam in Diangana and Grant. Val had to find a way of getting goals in the system from all positions, which he's done pretty well. We don't have a single player that Val can rely on for goals.

We could have (or should have) easily been in Sheff Utd's position given the state Big Sam left us in.

You slate Val constantly but seriously underestimate the job he's had to do.

Fat Sam didn't humiliate that pair in the Prem, they managed t do that all by themselves by being constantly s h y t e.

You constantly dig out Allardyce......WHY FFS!

He organised us, made us competitive and gave us a sniff of a chance of staying up at one point.

The bloke gets a bad press all the time from some yet it was likely because of him we even spotted and got in Yoksulu and Diagne, the two best quality players to wear our sad f u c k I n g kit last season!

I didn't much care for Pullis football and I'd prefer Ron Atkinson football to that of Allardyce or Val but lets be very clear about something here..........although it didn't go against his CV we all pretty much know Pullis dodged having a relegation on his CV and Fat Sam got his first relegation in 30 years of managing whilst at the Albion.

I wonder what the common denominator might be.......Mmm, strokes chin and thinks for about a nano second before the vision of a 4 foot Chinese runt comes to mind.

What a coincidence that two of the most solid and reliable ( if unspectacular ) managers finally crash and burn at B71.

Do me a f a c k I n g favour and smell the coffee!

Under Pullis we needed a creative and dynamic midfielder to cover the hole James Morrison had left with his constant injuries and we needed a 15 goals a season centre forward who wasn't Ideye Brown or f u c k I n g Rondon, if Lai had stumped up £25 million at that time we'd never have been relegated in that period.

Same investment needed last summer along with keeping Sam and we'd be going up this year.

FOL!!!!!

[baggiematt]

Fat Sam didn't humiliate that pair in the Prem, they managed t do that all by themselves by being constantly s h y t e.

You constantly dig out Allardyce......WHY FFS!

He organised us, made us competitive and gave us a sniff of a chance of staying up at one point.

The bloke gets a bad press all the time from some yet it was likely because of him we even spotted and got in Yoksulu and Diagne, the two best quality players to wear our sad f u c k I n g kit last season!

I didn't much care for Pullis football and I'd prefer Ron Atkinson football to that of Allardyce or Val but lets be very clear about something here..........although it didn't go against his CV we all pretty much know Pullis dodged having a relegation on his CV and Fat Sam got his first relegation in 30 years of managing whilst at the Albion.

I wonder what the common denominator might be.......Mmm, strokes chin and thinks for about a nano second before the vision of a 4 foot Chinese runt comes to mind.

What a coincidence that two of the most solid and reliable ( if unspectacular ) managers finally crash and burn at B71.

Do me a f a c k I n g favour and smell the coffee!

Under Pullis we needed a creative and dynamic midfielder to cover the hole James Morrison had left with his constant injuries and we needed a 15 goals a season centre forward who wasn't Ideye Brown or f u c k I n g Rondon, if Lai had stumped up £25 million at that time we'd never have been relegated in that period.

Same investment needed last summer along with keeping Sam and we'd be going up this year.

FOL!!!!!

Firstly, I haven't constantly dug at Fat Sam. I've written little about him and actually wanted him to stick around although he wasn't a good appointment for us during his tenure. He stuck around for just 6 months, stripped the permanent players from the squad and used what little money we had on expensive loanees who now haven't wanted to stay with us in the champ. If we stayed up it was a masterstroke. If we went down, it was a flop. That's not necessarily Fat Sam's fault though, he was asked to do one thing and that's all but he was still a flop and there is now the mess of those decisions for the next manager to fix.

We gained nothing from Fat Sam - if you disagree with me find one thing he has left us with that has made us stronger now. If he was so bloody good, he'd have stayed with us in the champ with no money, got us up and kept us up. He once had that drive at Bolton, why not now? He's got a reputation of being a fat money grabbing, pint of wine drinking, crooked nomad and absolutely deserves it.

Lai is the common denominator. He won't support us as he wants to sell us. Val is left with a difficult task with unreasonable demands.

[baggieal]

Firstly, I haven't constantly dug at Fat Sam. I've written little about him and actually wanted him to stick around although he wasn't a good appointment for us during his tenure. He stuck around for just 6 months, stripped the permanent players from the squad and used what little money we had on expensive loanees who now haven't wanted to stay with us in the champ. If we stayed up it was a masterstroke. If we went down, it was a flop. That's not necessarily Fat Sam's fault though, he was asked to do one thing and that's all but he was still a flop and there is now the mess of those decisions for the next manager to fix.

We gained nothing from Fat Sam - if you disagree with me find one thing he has left us with that has made us stronger now. If he was so bloody good, he'd have stayed with us in the champ with no money, got us up and kept us up. He once had that drive at Bolton, why not now? He's got a reputation of being a fat money grabbing, pint of wine drinking, crooked nomad and absolutely deserves it.

Lai is the common denominator. He won't support us as he wants to sell us. Val is left with a difficult task with unreasonable demands.

stripped the permanent players from the squad and used what little money we had on expensive loanees Those permanent players are not good enough for the weakest championship in years let alone the Premier FFS!!!

Expensive loans - If you buy fruit in Aldi it's s hite compared to M&S and you get what you pay for. Okay was 5 times better than the waste of space Livermore and Snodgrass who can't pick a pass. Gallagher is one of the reasons Palace are flying high!!! Do you want me to go on.

Had this present squad been the one in the Premier last season or go on to get promotion - they will get hammered!! Consider Mowatt is our best player from Barnsley of all places followed by Clarke who can't get into the Brighton first eleven.

Lai has raped our club and its the worst ever squad I have seen. The last bit of magic and creativity was Pereira and that money has gone stright into Lai's pocket!

32 million on Grant and Diangana - they are very average championship players at best! What kind of moron recruited Zohore?

I still go to many matches but face the truth - the club is rotten to its core from top to bottom. Jeremy Peace must be on a pray mat daily thinking it was a daily lottery win for what he received and getting out quickly!

[baggiematt]

stripped the permanent players from the squad and used what little money we had on expensive loanees Those permanent players are not good enough for the weakest championship in years let alone the Premier FFS!!!

Expensive loans - If you buy fruit in Aldi it's s hite compared to M&S and you get what you pay for. Okay was 5 times better than the waste of space Livermore and Snodgrass who can't pick a pass. Gallagher is one of the reasons Palace are flying high!!! Do you want me to go on.

Had this present squad been the one in the Premier last season or go on to get promotion - they will get hammered!! Consider Mowatt is oour best player from Barnsley of all places followed by Clarke who can't get into the Brighton first eleven.

Lai has raped our club and its the worst ever squad I have seen. The last bit of magic and creativity was Pereira and that money has gone stright into Lai's pocket!

32 million on Grant and Diangana - they are very average championship players at best! What kind of moron recruited Zohore?

I still go to many matches but face the truth - the club is rotten to its core from top to bottom. Jeremy Peace must be on a pray mat daily thinking it was a daily lottery win for what he received and getting out quickly!

Equally, if you permanently leave out our most expensive developing players then they ain't exactly gonna develop or have any confidence and move upwards are they? And for what, 4 wins in 24 games under Allardyce. Okay and Gallagher were good players but those aren't the positions I'm referring to. Sadly, we got exactly what we deserved and we're paying the price of short-term-ism now.

Diangana once ran at Leicesters defence and smashed it in the bottom corner. Noble criticised his own club for selling him and he's their captain! There's a player in there for sure.

[BaggieSingh]

Even with average players for us, that are better than most in this league, we should be showing something
We have some really good players who are just inconsistent (Robinson is a prime example, one game unplayable next game an absolute passenger) the manager needs to figure out how to get the best out of them, I think Robinson needs lots of the ball, Diangana needs the ball played quickly like Periera used to. We have a forward who is scoring, but we are not really creating it’s just endless crosses to no one (with no one coming in on back post) or hopeful long balls from all angles hoping for a mistake

Let’s be honest anyone centre half who played at any level loved crosses and a team where they just crossed it in, most champ teams will be able to cope with that

All the manager is showing is that he is inflexible have one idea, lump it and that it

He doesn’t give me any confidence he is watching the game at all
He pre plans what he’s going to do

We have become what Jeremy said we were all along, an average Championship team
And yes it is because of our owner, I have no idea why he bought the club

The beginning of the end had to be Pulis and his 6 defenders every week
I also agree Fat Sam was never going to work and left us in a worse place, and yes we have to blame the owner too, we seem absolutely rudderless and the hierarchy remind me of Man Utd no football people at all

[Omegstrat6]

The moot point is exactly how much blame can you lay at the managers/coaches door and how much at the players'? Seems to me that, even if we have just an average squad with no natural goal scorer, that this group of players should-and have-played better than they have past couple of games. Obviously Val selects the team and tactics and -as with any boss in any business/sector-must surely have an influence on moral/motivation etc but what about the players? Is it really all Val's fault when they make so many defensive mistakes or cant make a pass or chose not to shoot when a chance is on? I read in the paper a couple of days ago that Ronaldo was critical of his team mates inferring that they were not working hard enough and that, luck and ability aside, you only succeed with hard work and Rooney later echoed these sentiments. On WBA radio, AJ said similar, pointing out that when things aren't quite falling for you then you need to keep going for it and that way you will get there but too many of our lot didn't look like they wanted to recieve the ball! The last game was typical of recent matches as aside from a few like Mulumby and Townsend most didnt seem to show any urgency until it was too late. As many have said, with Lai at the helm there is not going to be the investment we need but with that in mind and given the quality of the squad who would we attract if Val went and would they do any better?

Might still be lucky and scrape promotion through play offs but life in the prem wont be pretty so just hope that if we do get promotion it may help us get a newowner who has a bit more passion for the club (well, I can dream..