O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Robertomac]

My two u 18s get texts to show when they enter a negative result, which was enough previously, so I assume it still is.

Thanks, didn't know that was the case so will look at that if necessary. I'm used to Italy where everything is QR code scanners so was anticipating the same here.

[Florida Pie]

I am shocked that a couple of posters, have wished death on people, who have chosen not to get vaccinated. I usually do not comment on the situation in England, as obviously, I'm not living there. I can only put forward what I have experienced and lived through, Florida opened up on May 4th 2020, covid figures have been up and down, same as everywhere. In the last few months Florida has been near the bottom, of the individual States Covid table. We have been living life normally since September 2020 (mask rules lifted). Looking at UK from the outside, it seems that freedom is being challenged by the politicians.

[kill_the_drum]

Today was the final straw for me with trying to comply. It was done by a government trying to deflect headlines from its Christmas party. And the fact they had a Christmas party proves they don’t fear this virus anywhere near as much as they’re trying to make us fear it. The damage we’re doing to our economy, our childrens education, our mental health is so disproportionate to the death rate of Covid it’s unfathomable.
The measures being imposed on us is like finding a wasp in your living room so blowing up your house!
My kids have missed so much school, and for what? They’re not dying. They’re not even getting ill. The mortality rate for anyone under 80 and not suffering with major health issues is negligible. I know of 4 people that have been registered as a Covid death. All four of them were terminally ill. Two of them contracted Covid from going to the hospital to die from cancer. Dying WITH Covid is completely different to dying FROM Covid. Has any virus ever been recorded in this way?
Any loss of life is sad but the cure, IMO is far more damaging than the virus!
And I say all this having had Covid myself (it’s pretty awful) and own a business that has actually done very well from the lockdowns.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Today was the final straw for me with trying to comply. It was done by a government trying to deflect headlines from its Christmas party. And the fact they had a Christmas party proves they don’t fear this virus anywhere near as much as they’re trying to make us fear it. The damage we’re doing to our economy, our childrens education, our mental health is so disproportionate to the death rate of Covid it’s unfathomable.
The measures being imposed on us is like finding a wasp in your living room so blowing up your house!
My kids have missed so much school, and for what? They’re not dying. They’re not even getting ill. The mortality rate for anyone under 80 and not suffering with major health issues is negligible. I know of 4 people that have been registered as a Covid death. All four of them were terminally ill. Two of them contracted Covid from going to the hospital to die from cancer. Dying WITH Covid is completely different to dying FROM Covid. Has any virus ever been recorded in this way?
Any loss of life is sad but the cure, IMO is far more damaging than the virus!
And I say all this having had Covid myself (it’s pretty awful) and own a business that has actually done very well from the lockdowns.

well said !

[Magpies1959]

I have a covid pass, (so obviously double vaccinated) mainly because we had a holiday booked. The wife had to book lateral flow tests, at £35 each which were never used due to rule changes, while we were away, which forced us to buy PCR 2 day tests at £50 pounds each. Which hadn't arrived inside the two days after returning from holiday, so the wife found out you could get a free PCR test from the Jubilee Campus. As it was, the £50 test kits arrived the day we went to the Campus site, so we took both and they returned negative. What a load of money making bollox.
To return to the start of my post, even though having a covid pass, i.e. double jabbed, I will have to think twice about going as a matter of principle, as it is virtually impossible to catch covid, outdoors let alone being hospitalised.
There is something very sinister attached to all this, just not sure what. I just wish someone/ country/countries had the nuts to call out China for it's actions.

[upthemaggies]

There is something very sinister attached to all this, just not sure what..

Good to know a few here have got their antennas up. This is just another step on the compliance ladder.

[keldsyke]

Good to know a few here have got their antennas up. This is just another step on the compliance ladder.

I think you are a bit out of date, millions of people went to two world wars conscripted (means you have no choice) and lost their lives so some can think they have a sole right to do as they please, I'm guessing there wasn't as much noise from them, but then again we had the attitude of helping everyone and a community spirit . Think yourselves lucky you were not alive a few decades back as having to produce a pass would have been the least of your worries.

[BigFatPie]

Good to know a few here have got their antennas up. This is just another step on the compliance ladder.

Just wondering what measures you would have taken to combat a global pandemic?

[jacobncfc]

Just wondering what measures you would have taken to combat a global pandemic?

Develop a vaccine and give it to as many people as we can as quickly as possible. We’ve been pretty good at that, but everything else is just messing about around the edges, particularly at this point.

[BigFatPie]

Develop a vaccine and give it to as many people as we can as quickly as possible. We’ve been pretty good at that, but everything else is just messing about around the edges, particularly at this point.

Yep. But those who take UTMs position were anti- lockdown, are anti mask and are now anti vaccine. (Apologies if I’ve misrepresented your position Utm).

I’m not sure whether they would have accepted many more millions of excess deaths because they don’t find the use of the above measures palatable.