O/T:- Spoty

[i961pie]

The reason I think her achievement is so good is that I can't think of any other sport in the world where men and women compete as equals, and a woman comes out on top. Even though her Grand National win made most of the headlines, for me it comes way down the list of what she did. For her to be top jockey at the Cheltenham NH Festival, in what is the World Cup of jump racing and one of the toughest sports around was way above what anyone else managed to do.

Darts, equestrian/ show jumping, Olympic 400mts mixed relay.

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Emma's run and win was definitely top 5 British sporting achievements due to the level started at but the best overall is debatable. I think a list of the top 10 achievements and then a vote could be in order.

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Leicester winning Premiership
Joe Johnson winning World Snooker Championship. ( Or Terry Griffiths)

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Leicester was amazing.

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Just realised that when you said 'all the names you mentioned' you were actually talking about all the names I mentioned that weren't tennis players. It's just that your sentence was very misleading, when you said "you clearly don't follow tennis in any way shape or form. All the names you mentioned can be considered greats with great sporting achievements under their belts." So let's stick to tennis and compare like-for-like. How is her achievement in winning a Grand Slam singles title better than Virginia Wade (3 titles) or Andy Murray (3 titles)? The romance of her story may be greater, but her achievement is exactly the same, but currently stands at just the one rather than three. Even then all of them would rank behind the other names I mentioned.

Your fingers work harder than your brain , don't worry about it chap a lot posted on here can be misinterpreted.

If I refine my statement to greatest single achievement by a British sportsperson (unsurprisingly I wasn't talking about her career achievements as she's still a ****ager) that may help compare like for like with all past British sports stars.

How does she compare to Wade and Murray well according to Wiki (Wade is well before my time) it looks like she won her first major 5 and 7 years ahead of those two British sporting greats. I'd suggest her world ranking of 150 was far higher than either Wade or Murray when they achieved their first grand slam titles. Therefore far less expected and harder to achieve. Murray was an established player in 2012. I watched the final with a friend in a bar in NYC that year was absolutely delighted for him and the UK.

He was seeded 3rd.

[Elite_Pie]

Your fingers work harder than your brain , don't worry about it chap a lot posted on here can be misinterpreted.

You wrote (word for word) "you clearly don't follow tennis in any way shape or form. All the names you mentioned can be considered greats with great sporting achievements under their belts." Does that not suggest the names of tennis players?

If I refine my statement to greatest single achievement by a British sportsperson (unsurprisingly I wasn't talking about her career achievements as she's still a ****ager) that may help compare like for like with all past British sports stars.

How does she compare to Wade and Murray well according to Wiki (Wade is well before my time) it looks like she won her first major 5 and 7 years ahead of those two British sporting greats. I'd suggest her world ranking of 150 was far higher than either Wade or Murray when they achieved their first grand slam titles. Therefore far less expected and harder to achieve. Murray was an established player in 2012. I watched the final with a friend in a bar in NYC that year was absolutely delighted for him and the UK.

He was seeded 3rd.

That's what I said, if you are talking about "most unexpected achievement" Raducanu is definitely right up there. I'm only a casual follower of tennis, but I know that US Open was a very moderate tournament. She could only beat what was put in front of her, but "greatest achievement ever"? Wade and Murray both won the US Open and also Wimbledon. Do you think Raducanu will emulate them? She's young enough to improve a lot so it's possible, but in my opinion she first needs to become a tennis player again rather than a 'celebrity'.

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You wrote (word for word) "you clearly don't follow tennis in any way shape or form. All the names you mentioned can be considered greats with great sporting achievements under their belts." Does that not suggest the names of tennis players?



That's what I said, if you are talking about "most unexpected achievement" Raducanu is definitely right up there. I'm only a casual follower of tennis, but I know that US Open was a very moderate tournament. She could only beat what was put in front of her, but "greatest achievement ever"? Wade and Murray both won the US Open and also Wimbledon. Do you think Raducanu will emulate them? She's young enough to improve a lot so it's possible, but in my opinion she first needs to become a tennis player again rather than a 'celebrity'.

You know as well as anyone the punctuation, grammar and spelling on NCM is average at best, as it should be it's a football message board after all

People unintentionally mislead and misinterpret all the time on here. Please don't get so worked up about it.

I will disagree with very moderate tournament, I haven't checked but the world's top 10 in the women's game were heavily represented. Emma was 150th, so on rankings a rank outsider and underdog. Anyone who wins any grand slam can only beat who is put in front of them. Plus you don't get lucky at a Grand Slam when you win. The way she performed in the final she could easily have beaten any of the Top 10 it was a superb display of accurate power hitting from the ****ager.

You are now drifting into another area trying to compare careers of a retired and near retired player with a 19 year old. That's not a fair comparison.
And asking what the future will or won't hold for the US Open champion.

She won it at 18, Andy and Virginia didn't they had to wait 7 and 5 years I believe.

As I've mentioned before it is just my opinion that's all. I believe it's the single greatest British sporting achievement for the reasons given previously.

She created history, first ever tennis player man or woman to go through and win the US Open or any of the 4 grand slams.

Forget the fact she was only 18 and waiting on her A level results, in her very first year on the tour, ranked 150th in the world at the time and over 300th at the start of the year, and won it without dropping a single set. You can't get more impressive in tennis.

She's a history maker at world level, nobody can change it, it's in da books. That obviously takes nothing away from Sir Steve Redgrave or Sir Chris Hoy

To conclude this sporting discussion, in your opinion what is the greatest single sporting achievement by a British individual? Not career just a single event, single achievement?

I won't judge, try and mock or call it laughable it's just someone else's opinion that's all

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Leicester was amazing.

As team achievements go that has to be right up there with anything done in the British Isles. Unbelievable Jeff

[Elite_Pie]

To conclude this sporting discussion, in your opinion what is the greatest single sporting achievement by a British individual? Not career just a single event, single achievement?

Off the top of my head, among the contenders would be Roger Bannister's sub 4 minute mile, Torville & Dean (although an individual couple) performing the Bolero, and Paula Radcliffe's 2003 London Marathon world record. All took their event to previously unreached levels.

There might be some I've missed.