SLO, Dee4Life and DSA

[islaydarkblue]

What, specifically, isn't true?

There were indeed some genuine expressions of concern that I agree with.

The language used in much of one of the PDFs makes it very clear who wrote it - Dee4Life Comments (no names)

'I enclose' written in a typed letter - say no more.

'That is a lot of nonsense about our share certificate for 239,260 shares being delayed due to a change In companies'

'In my opinion this fiasco with the failure of us not receiving our share certificate goes part in parcel with all the other mistakes made by Lindsay Darroch who is the Dundee Football Club Limited Company Secretary' (someone's latest target for criticism getting a roasting)

'I think that the performance of Dundee Football Club both on and off the park in the last 5 and a half years has gone steadily downhill and I blame John Nelms 'fairly and squarely' for this fiasco'. I actually can't disagree with this but the tone and use of quotation marks make it very obvious who wrote it.

'John Nelms has appointed hopeless managers and let the Dens Park stadium go to wrack and ruin. Meanwhile he will not communicate with the Dundee supporters and the Dee4life Trust board of directors with the ongoing saga regarding the Bank of Scotland account being a case in point'. Someone loves their references to BoS.

'Yesterday's game kicked off at 'stupid o'clock''.

'Nelms never seems to learn that charging full prices for Scottish Cup ties at Dens Park which are live on TV with a stupid o'clock kick off when the Dundee team are playing poorly will result in the Dundee FC supporters boycotting the game'.


Much of it was written by the type of person who forms an opinion, decides it's 100% fact then goes out of their way in their research to find evidence to back that opinion whilst disregarding completely anything that contradicts it.

Any of this sound familiar at all? I've had conversations with people at Dens who have told me things that it would be unfair to expand on here regarding the above type of person. This type of person will never be able to sit with John Nelms in any meeting and be taken seriously.

The Dee4life Trust board of directors have been trying since 2016 to get the Bank of Scotland account which was used for the joint venture between the club and Dee4life for Platinum, Gold and DEETV memberships until the club took over the running of DEETV three days before the start of the 2014-15 season.
In 2016 there was still a Dee4life Trust Primary representative on the board of Dundee Football Club.
Now in 2022 the Dee4life Trust board of directors have still not managed to get the Bank of Scotland closed.

[Returnofrros]

I think it gives an insight into how some fans feel and their actual experiences of dealing with dfc.

Can see both sides in this but if you deal with the working man's game you are going to get working man's correspondence.

I really don't give a **** about Nelms feelings

[scottg]

JN mentions two meetings in his chat with Burkie - one on Mon 7th March regarding communication with supporters and the current state of the stadium, the second on Wed 16th March re the Camperdown Project. By doing so I think it is fair to expect some kind of output from both. Any failure to do so can only strengthen the belief that he has contempt for the supporters and their representatives. If he really wants to change his approach then this is his opportunity. To have a list of complaints put before him on these subjects and expect people to be fobbed off by being told we are meeting to discuss the subject and leaving it at that would smack of lip service. Time will tell, but this is an opportunity for him to demonstrate that he is listening and does care. Hoping that our representatives are also getting their act together finding common ground and looking to bring the genuine concerns that exist back to the football club in a timely manner because every day that passes is another step closer to Early Bird Fortnight and you wouldn’t want the current climate to exist at a time when the club is trying to sell season tickets. Get it sorted Lads.

[grantzer]

I would hope that John Nelms would be able to sit down with anyone who represents dundee fans,and that both parties could put aside any differences for the greater good.

After the weekend, JN is surely thinking he has to do something before 800 home fans becomes the norm,and if meeting representatives of the supporters means sitting down with Islay,(I'm not sure it does,there are other board members at dfcss) then that is what should happen.

Similarly,any member of the dfcss board should be able to put personal opinions to one side,so that their members can be represented at any meeting.

At the end of the day FPS are not here to throw money away,they must want success. The supporters want the same thing,so bringing the two groups together, regardless of what they think of each other.

Obviously we would need all parties to act like grown ups.......

[BCram]

What, specifically, isn't true?

There were indeed some genuine expressions of concern that I agree with.

The language used in much of one of the PDFs makes it very clear who wrote it - Dee4Life Comments (no names)

'I enclose' written in a typed letter - say no more.

'That is a lot of nonsense about our share certificate for 239,260 shares being delayed due to a change In companies'

'In my opinion this fiasco with the failure of us not receiving our share certificate goes part in parcel with all the other mistakes made by Lindsay Darroch who is the Dundee Football Club Limited Company Secretary' (someone's latest target for criticism getting a roasting)

'I think that the performance of Dundee Football Club both on and off the park in the last 5 and a half years has gone steadily downhill and I blame John Nelms 'fairly and squarely' for this fiasco'. I actually can't disagree with this but the tone and use of quotation marks make it very obvious who wrote it.

'John Nelms has appointed hopeless managers and let the Dens Park stadium go to wrack and ruin. Meanwhile he will not communicate with the Dundee supporters and the Dee4life Trust board of directors with the ongoing saga regarding the Bank of Scotland account being a case in point'. Someone loves their references to BoS.

'Yesterday's game kicked off at 'stupid o'clock''.

'Nelms never seems to learn that charging full prices for Scottish Cup ties at Dens Park which are live on TV with a stupid o'clock kick off when the Dundee team are playing poorly will result in the Dundee FC supporters boycotting the game'.


Much of it was written by the type of person who forms an opinion, decides it's 100% fact then goes out of their way in their research to find evidence to back that opinion whilst disregarding completely anything that contradicts it.

Any of this sound familiar at all? I've had conversations with people at Dens who have told me things that it would be unfair to expand on here regarding the above type of person. This type of person will never be able to sit with John Nelms in any meeting and be taken seriously.

The point I was trying to make was that the contribution quoted by you is only a fraction of what was printed. I don't agree that this contribution was "much of it." It was one contribution in a vein that we had heard before but that does not mean that others have heard it before or that it contains any untruths.
I think it is disappointing that the idea that if only two people were not involved with the Dee4life board there would be a new relationship just waiting to blossom.
Let's wait and see what happens before predicting what might happen.
You of all the posters on here Deeranged know what the relationship between the club and Dee4life has been like and I hope that the current move towards talking might help our club.

Sometimes actually bringing grievances into the light can be cathartic and I would be expecting some "home truths" coming our way from John Nelms- and no bad thing in my view.