IB in the running for the Lincoln job

[keldsyke]

I’m not sure why anyone would have such strong feelings about IB to say ‘I’m not going again if he stays’. I’ve been to more home games this season than for a while, and I’ve not really seen one boring game. The problem is that I can’t see a Burchnall side ever having enough intensity and focus to get out of this league.

I’m perfectly fine with him staying, but I wouldn’t get too upset if he left.

To be fair I don’t think anyone has said they wouldn’t go if he was in charge next season. If he has got his hands tied from above then I think most people would genuinely feel sorry for him to have to work like that, one things for sure as I said before regardless of the outcome this season, discussions need to be taken at the top if total football is the way out this league or to progress in League 2.

[hissingdwarf]

If the owners have made any stipulation about an 'identity' or 'culture' then I doubt it would be any more specific than wanting fast, attacking, entertaining, passing football. It then comes down to the manager to interpret that request in their own way, and I think Burchnall's interpretation is too much along the lines of creating a lower league Manchester City.

There's no benefit for the Reedtz brothers in advocating a style of play that actively antogonises the supporters. As owners they've had an excellent relationship with the fans from day one and I'm sure they would wish that to continue.

Neither do the owners have anything to gain from advocating an overly rigid approach that puts style over substance and costs us promotion. There's a lot of sense in their calm, analytical approach that doesn't carried away with one or two bad results or performances, but the bottom line is that they will want to get Notts County back into the football league as much as supporters do. Part of our identity was being the Oldest Football League Club in the World, and getting back to that position will strengthen our brand and increase our exposure.

I'll say once again, I'm calling for Burchnall to adapt, not to leave. The owners are showing their already characteristic patience and sticking behind the current manager in the hope that we can achieve play-off success. Even if we fail, I think they would probably look to address the weaknesses in the summer and give him another chance next season, but with a bit more sense of urgency about what needs to be achieved. If Burchnall does go to Lincoln, I don't think for one moment that the brothers will lurch towards a 'hoofball' merchant, but I think they'll look for someone who can add that extra bit of killer instinct and steel to the team that has been missing under both Ardley and IB.

Off the pitch, the Reedtz brothers' stewardship of the club appears to be very solid indeed. On the pitch, we've generally got decent results - hence three successive years in promotion/play-off contention - but we just need to fine tune the approach and find that spark and resilienhce that makes us true title contenders.

There's far more right with the club these days than wrong, and we haven't often been able to say that over the past two decades. We shouldn't settle for 4th/5th place finishes and overly elaborate football where it isn't needed, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either.

I’m not suggesting new owners or anything of the sort, but I think they’re being led by radar ideas. Which is totally understandable as that’s their money maker.
The difference we’ve seen (and you’ve got to hope them as well) is that footy manager type tactics don’t work on a sustained basis in the non league.
You’re right, things are much better off the field than they’ve been for a long period…but…
On the field. We’re nowhere near good enough for automatic again in a league where some of the teams are part time.
We have no divine right to go straight up, as has been proven, but surely the expectation with a club with our resources, fan base and stadium, we expect to see more on the field in the way of securing wins anyway we can.
You say they won’t turn to a hoof ball specialist. I agree. They won’t. The question is, if IB goes, or is sacked, will we end up with a guy who can mix the two. Know when ugly battles need winning and use the managers know how of lower leagues to get hard men in or we will continue to base our philosophy on computer generated stats and, as you say, implement a non league version of a tippy tappy premiership club.

[BigFatPie]

To be fair I don’t think anyone has said they wouldn’t go if he was in charge next season. If he has got his hands tied from above then I think most people would genuinely feel sorry for him to have to work like that, one things for sure as I said before regardless of the outcome this season, discussions need to be taken at the top if total football is the way out this league or to progress in League 2.

Fair enough.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

If the owners have made any stipulation about an 'identity' or 'culture' then I doubt it would be any more specific than wanting fast, attacking, entertaining, passing football. It then comes down to the manager to interpret that request in their own way, and I think Burchnall's interpretation is too much along the lines of creating a lower league Manchester City.

There's no benefit for the Reedtz brothers in advocating a style of play that actively antogonises the supporters. As owners they've had an excellent relationship with the fans from day one and I'm sure they would wish that to continue.

Neither do the owners have anything to gain from advocating an overly rigid approach that puts style over substance and costs us promotion. There's a lot of sense in their calm, analytical approach that doesn't carried away with one or two bad results or performances, but the bottom line is that they will want to get Notts County back into the football league as much as supporters do. Part of our identity was being the Oldest Football League Club in the World, and getting back to that position will strengthen our brand and increase our exposure.

I'll say once again, I'm calling for Burchnall to adapt, not to leave. The owners are showing their already characteristic patience and sticking behind the current manager in the hope that we can achieve play-off success. Even if we fail, I think they would probably look to address the weaknesses in the summer and give him another chance next season, but with a bit more sense of urgency about what needs to be achieved. If Burchnall does go to Lincoln, I don't think for one moment that the brothers will lurch towards a 'hoofball' merchant, but I think they'll look for someone who can add that extra bit of killer instinct and steel to the team that has been missing under both Ardley and IB.

Off the pitch, the Reedtz brothers' stewardship of the club appears to be very solid indeed. On the pitch, we've generally got decent results - hence three successive years in promotion/play-off contention - but we just need to fine tune the approach and find that spark and resilienhce that makes us true title contenders.

There's far more right with the club these days than wrong, and we haven't often been able to say that over the past two decades. We shouldn't settle for 4th/5th place finishes and overly elaborate football where it isn't needed, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either.

We are not that far off and it just needs some fine tuning. At home Meadow Lane is a fortress and we have only lost twice at home all season.

We are 12 points behind Stockport which is four away wins. Poor away draws against Weymouth and Wealdstone is 4 points dropped as we should have beaten those two. Aldershot, Eastleigh, Altrincham away we came away from those games with not a single point. We should have won two of those three games so that's 6 points lost. Then there is the 3 points we dropped against Halifax away in the last five minutes.

That really is the fine margins and distance between us and Stockport. It's quite clear that we have to be better away from home next season and whether that is change of style or personnel something has to change if we are serious about wanting to win the title next season.

Like you I don't want IB to leave, but there needs to be an acknowledgement that we need that bit extra away from home next season and address this in the summer.

[OchPie]

As of 2015 we'd had the most managers of any English club in the league (sigh). We must still be up there in the stats. I don't think it's really helped us all that much.

I really think, with the owners we have, we need someone to grow into the role (head coach, not manager). I think IB is much more likely to be that person than Ardley. That doesn't mean I think he's necessarily better full stop - just better suited for what our owners are trying to do. Would I have taken Chalinor for two years to get us up? Yep. Do I think we should want rid of IB now? Nope.

For what it's worth, I also think with Brinds and Cameron fit all season, we'd be a place or two higher and quite a lot happier. Margins are thin near the top of this league, as Chessie are finding out. And we have more points after 42 games than last season, without the parachute payment (even though it's hard to compare the seasons financially).

[Big Bob]

Why don't you stop going on about Burchnall and Reedz brothers. Only a few years ago we nearly didn't have a club to support

[laddo]

Oh Dear. Are you really desperate enough to revert to the old 'No Nuts' insult?

If so, you appear to be posting on the wrong thread.

Wow what a short memory you have:

"You should know by now that laddo is a master baiter (easy way around the swear filter!)"

Looks like you posted in the wrong thread by starting a post with the above tut tut. If that isn't worthy of posting in your handbags thread (RIP) I don't know what is

[laddo]

To be fair I don’t think anyone has said they wouldn’t go if he was in charge next season. If he has got his hands tied from above then I think most people would genuinely feel sorry for him to have to work like that, one things for sure as I said before regardless of the outcome this season, discussions need to be taken at the top if total football is the way out this league or to progress in League 2.

Hold on a second didn't you recently say something very close to you not being prepared to watch 'dross' from IB again next season? Or words to that effect . Please correct me if I'm wrong, if It's a case of mistaken identity because someone definitely did.

Tbh that "dross" as you call it plus your stated questioning of the owners desire to actually want to get out of this league are valid enough reasons to stop going to games and to go food shopping on a Saturday afternoon.

[keldsyke]

Hold on a second didn't you recently say something very close to you not being prepared to watch 'dross' from IB again next season? Or words to that effect . Please correct me if I'm wrong, if It's a case of mistaken identity because someone definitely did.

Tbh that "dross" as you call it plus your stated questioning of the owners desire to actually want to get out of this league are valid enough reasons to stop going to games and to go food shopping on a Saturday afternoon.

Please don’t mention me in any of your posts in the future, I’m really not interested in any of your thoughts or baiting agendas, its for the best interests of this board. Thank you

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Ironic that our last manager who is not good enough for this league is doing better than us on a worse budget. Is it perhaps that the manager does better when they have an input into who is brought in to suit their style?

How do you know they are on a worse budget.?
How do you know hes changed his style, have you seen them over the season.?
How do you know the Bros interfer and don't consult with managers when bringing in players.?
Ps as far as I'm concerned and it's my opinion Notts were to big for him (NA) he couldn't cope with the pressure of keeping us up and the getting us up.