OT - the current crisis

[ramAnag]

But that is exactly what it is, " a cult",

I’m sorry...we’ve disagreed about many things over the years Tricky...Brexit, Black Lives Matter, Johnson, Farage etc, but this latest comment is complete idiocy.
Personally I’m nowhere near as ‘Green’ as I should be...I like my cars too much, my house is kept warm by oil (and wood), I fly too much and I don’t always take as much care in certain ways as I should.
I’m no expert, and I’ll even accept that, in the short term, I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary. However for you to dismiss those warning of climate change and the need for greener energy sources as a ‘cult’ defies all rational explanation and is sheer stupidity.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m sorry...we’ve disagreed about many things over the years Tricky...Brexit, Black Lives Matter, Johnson, Farage etc, but this latest comment is complete idiocy.
Personally I’m nowhere near as ‘Green’ as I should be...I like my cars too much, my house is kept warm by oil (and wood), I fly too much and I don’t always take as much care in certain ways as I should.
I’m no expert, and I’ll even accept that, in the short term, I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary. However for you to dismiss those warning of climate change and the need for greener energy sources as a ‘cult’ defies all rational explanation and is sheer stupidity.

We will disagree.
Lets take Swales description of WOKE.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being woke.
But it is hijacked by the zealots in that melee as well.
So the actual meaning gets lost.

The Green zealots have their "cult" where they are determined to turn the UK into the stone age.
These same people scream at the government for the prices of energy, yet don't want it used in balance with what people can afford.
They have a very nice habit, of protesting and screaming at western governments who actually are trying.
Never a scream at Chine/Russia/India/USA.

So no, cult sounds perfectly descriptive to me.

[ramAnag]

The Green zealots have their "cult" where they are determined to turn the UK into the stone age.
These same people scream at the government for the prices of energy, yet don't want it used in balance with what people can afford.
They have a very nice habit, of protesting and screaming at western governments who actually are trying.
Never a scream at Chine/Russia/India/USA.

So no, cult sounds perfectly descriptive to me.

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

[Trickytreesreds]

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

Well I'm glad your happy, that Granny Bloggs in her pokey flat, is safe in the knowledge that tiddles/a hot water bottle but no gas, makes her suffering all the more worth it.
Good on yer.

[Andy_Faber]

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

Easy tigers. As with Covid, for the most part I'd say 'listen to the scientists', but unfortunately trustworthy people are less easy to identify in the arena of climate change than Covid - on the credit side, and lets hope he lasts til at least 200, David Attenborough, on the debit side Greta Thunberg, I have yet to discuss climate change with anyone who finds her message appealling.

BUT its not, IMO, a 'cult', the warming of the planet is a fact, the linking of that to the use of fossil fuels is less certain but there is a weight of evidence.

BUT BUT, gotta say there ARE a lot of zealots around, a lot of scaremongering and a lot of fake news/correlations. Fantastic story on TV last week thatcovered all those bases, a 'popular sunday night programme' offered the destruction by fire of a combine harvester as directly climate change related. Like the 'Poles being killed by racists' bo-locks post Brexit, further digging determined that this was rubbish - the fire was caused by a fuel leak, and in any case CHs are tested to operating conditions of well over 40 degrees anyway, both of which facts the presenter/producer/programme should have and probably did know, but it didn't suit the narrative. As with other sensitive subjects discussed from time to time on this forum, the more stories like the above abound, either far fetched, patently untrue or without provenance, the more those in the middle ground will adopt AN 'anti-' approach IMO.

[MadAmster]

The drive to go 100% green by folks like May listening to zealots, is half the reason folks are going to struggle to have any heat this winter.

Really? There was me thinking that it was caused by the, so loved by the Toraidh, free market system that has seen prices to the consumer rocket. The producers put energy up for grabs to the highest bidder. The bidders are the companies that supply energy to you. That astronomic wholesale price means that the price to consumers will also rocket. IMO it has nothing to to with the "green thing" and everything to do with greed from energy producers and their shareholders.

[MadAmster]

The original source of the Thames has dried up. Fortunately other streams and rivers that flow to create the river Thames still have water so the Thames survives for now. Rivers in Germany are currently so low that, on some of them, the cargo boats can no longer navigate them. Pakistan has just had more rain in 3 days than they would normally get "in 3 times 30 years". Not sure why they didn't just say "90 years" but there you go.

The climate HAS changed an awful lot from when I was a kid. We had 4 explicit seasons on which you could rely. Give or take a couple of weeks, they started at the same time each year and finished at the same time each year. Yes, there were variations, some summers would be hotter than others, some winters harsher than others but for 3 months you got that varying level of whatever season it was supposed to be. The 10 hottest years on record are ALL in the past 22 years. We are getting a mish mash of weather, not always relevant to what season it's supposed to be. For the 2nd time in 3 years we have had BBQ weather from March/April and we've had it almost constantly. It's expected to go on to the end of September or even into October with maybe the odd wet spell. When it rains it's a torrential downpour. When it's windy it's gale force 8. Whatever the weather of the day is, it's generally extreme rather than what one might expect for the "season".

Those thinking that there is NO climate change need to do 2 things IMO. First visit the optician to get new glasses befitting the standard of their eyesight and then visit a psychiatrist for a check up from the neck up.

Everywhere in the world is getting hotter this, wetter that, monsoons and tornadoes and hurricanes etc are all way more violent than they used to be. Has the weather followed politics or vice versa?

[Trickytreesreds]

The original source of the Thames has dried up. Fortunately other streams and rivers that flow to create the river Thames still have water so the Thames survives for now. Rivers in Germany are currently so low that, on some of them, the cargo boats can no longer navigate them. Pakistan has just had more rain in 3 days than they would normally get "in 3 times 30 years". Not sure why they didn't just say "90 years" but there you go.

The climate HAS changed an awful lot from when I was a kid. We had 4 explicit seasons on which you could rely. Give or take a couple of weeks, they started at the same time each year and finished at the same time each year. Yes, there were variations, some summers would be hotter than others, some winters harsher than others but for 3 months you got that varying level of whatever season it was supposed to be. The 10 hottest years on record are ALL in the past 22 years. We are getting a mish mash of weather, not always relevant to what season it's supposed to be. For the 2nd time in 3 years we have had BBQ weather from March/April and we've had it almost constantly. It's expected to go on to the end of September or even into October with maybe the odd wet spell. When it rains it's a torrential downpour. When it's windy it's gale force 8. Whatever the weather of the day is, it's generally extreme rather than what one might expect for the "season".

Those thinking that there is NO climate change need to do 2 things IMO. First visit the optician to get new glasses befitting the standard of their eyesight and then visit a psychiatrist for a check up from the neck up.

Everywhere in the world is getting hotter this, wetter that, monsoons and tornadoes and hurricanes etc are all way more violent than they used to be. Has the weather followed politics or vice versa?

No ones denying anything hasn't changed.
However, whilst granny here can't afford to put the fire on, we have idiots gluing themselves to roads and polticians who are incompetant.

I think the screaming should be directed elesewhere, until they catch up.

https://victor-mochere.com/top-10-la...s-in-the-world

[Geoff Parkstone]

As we are anecdoting (is that a verb) on energy prices, my DD for gas and electric from EDF has just gone from 267 pcm to 432 pcm, having gone up from 225 to 267 a few months ago. They didn't bother to tell me, just did it and I spotted it on online banking.

I get that the prices will go up, but not that they don't even bother telling the customer about it.

[Andy_Faber]

As we are anecdoting (is that a verb) on energy prices, my DD for gas and electric from EDF has just gone from 267 pcm to 432 pcm, having gone up from 225 to 267 a few months ago. They didn't bother to tell me, just did it and I spotted it on online banking.

I get that the prices will go up, but not that they don't even bother telling the customer about it.

EDF propose a change but allow the customer to override. For unique reasons out proposed DD for gas went from £47 to £1, we've bumped it up to £125