For Fox Sake

[GUNBOAT]

Based on what, as one of the rumours was he was recommended to Ross/Fox by a former teammate, hard to know what to believe

There is no doubt that a section of fans have a healthy dislike for TA and want everyone else to to jump on that bandwagon, I'm still not sure why though as apart from the last couple months or so he'd overseen progress on and odd the park over a few years... Ironically when trying to appease fans by hiring a so called decent and well known manager, that's when things took a downturn

Can only imaging the stick he'd have got had it not been a pretty solid few years

On a subject you take an interest in,there was an agreement between Tony and two guys from the display team.If they could recruit 400 fans for The Shed v The Sheep it would be for the home support.The two guys worked like phuck to get the numbers and managed it.Without any communication from the club to these boys its then announced that Aberdeen are getting The Shed,that's the kind of shyte that goes on at Tannadice these days.

[Chick A Saw]

Agreed, sounds utter keech (sorry old shed boy) and part of the nonsense rumours that go about that cause extra negativity about some of the fan base, case in point chick a saw above... I'm more excited at the prospect of us getting out of danger and getting up the noses of people that have been reveling in our beginning of season struggles

Can't wait for the busy October we have

Where the feck do you get off belittling people like that! Are you seriously suggested that i do not have the mental capacity to form an opinion, because ive read your reply several times and that is all i can see it as!

Just for clarity, if we do not win the next 2 games where i need to be elsewhere, i will be keeping my £60 odd in my pocket thereafter because.....

The Thompson jnr years,
The eye bleedingly bad football on show since then,
Apparent ongoing repeat of the Thompson Jnr years.
5th manager since promotion,
Questionable recruitment when important players were known to be leaving,
My opinion that the players engineered a sacking,
My belief that there is something fundamentally wrong in the running of the club.
There is a real world out there where people can find other things to do on match day that offer infinitely more value for money!

[GUNBOAT]

Where the feck do you get off belittling people like that! Are you seriously suggested that i do not have the mental capacity to form an opinion, because ive read your reply several times and that is all i can see it as!

Just for clarity, if we do not win the next 2 games where i need to be elsewhere, i will be keeping my £60 odd in my pocket thereafter because.....

The Thompson jnr years,
The eye bleedingly bad football on show since then,
Apparent ongoing repeat of the Thompson Jnr years.
5th manager since promotion,
Questionable recruitment when important players were known to be leaving,
My opinion that the players engineered a sacking,
My belief that there is something fundamentally wrong in the running of the club.
There is a real world out there where people can find other things to do on match day that offer infinitely more value for money!

As i have said many times before there are similarities to the Thompson Junior era,now just to clarify i mean there was loads of stories coming out of Tannadice like there is now.
The problem with that is you get posters coming on saying all these rumours cannot be true and its just venomous fans and posters who hated Stephen and Tony stirring shyte therefore NONE of the stories are true.
The mentality of some perhaps the majority on here is the blame always lies away from the door of The Sporting Director eg the goalkeeping situation which may well relegate us was the fault of Jack Ross but when Levitt was signed it was congratulations Tony on making it happen.
The Hospo shambles and loss of revenue was the fault of others according to some on here and was nothing to do with Tony although i did say he phoned a customer who cancelled and said,"Get down here and remove your advertising hoarding's."
I was asked the other day if i wanted to move seats to The Shed for the Aberdeen game,THIS IS TRUE,however i have since learned that Tony has given it to The Sheep.
I was told that Butcher was given a sizeable pay off from United as he had threatened to go to the press with stories regarding The Sporting Director.This will get trashed on here so i ask am i the only United fan that keeps getting stories about the way the club is being run?.
Just to finish i do not know Asghar and i don't want to but i have NEVER posted anything on here that is a figment of my imagination,all of the stories cannot be true surely but neither are they all lies,i think the club under his leadership is a basket case from top to bottom and he was just as culpable as Ross for the 0-9 humiliation.

[TerryTheTerror]

It's hard to see how anyone can say signings aren't TA's as I think it's pretty clear this is his responsibility so, ultimately, they all are. Obviously others have input but he makes the decision.

I totally agree, some of these stories must be true and I don't think for a minute you are making anything up. But, I do think some folk are. For instance, I know one nutcase that really has it in for TA and it would not surprise me in the slightest to hear they'd been doing such a thing.

Your final point has got to be correct. The people running the club appointed JR so need to be responsible for that scudding too.

[ARAbCHNID]

Boat, you are obviously not the only United fan who keeps hearing stories about the way the Club is being run but you are one of the few believers who is willing to promote the rumours on the forums. We've all heard the shockers but either a) we don't want to believe them or b) we're not vindictive enough to condemn the boy without justification or FACT.

[GUNBOAT]

Boat, you are obviously not the only United fan who keeps hearing stories about the way the Club is being run but you are one of the few believers who is willing to promote the rumours on the forums. We've all heard the shockers but either a) we don't want to believe them or b) we're not vindictive enough to condemn the boy without justification or FACT.

Or C we will trash the poster who is rightfully concerned about the way the club is being run just as we did during Thompson Juniors reign.Its nonsense to suggest i'm one of the FEW believers that the club is a basket case.I would say in real life every United supporter i have spoken to have grave concern's regarding the running of the club.

BTW that is not me going around carrying out survey's its people coming to me with story after story.The day i attended a former posters party in the Ferry was awash with tales of mismanagement so much so that i was relieved when i was able to change the narrative.

[A. J]

Tony seems a weird one, I can only go by what I read, it seems that he can be tough at times but mostly it seems with folk who have no relation to what happens on the pitch.
As Sporting Director its his responsibility to have a structure in place to put us in a good position to move forward and achieve objectives
This has been reset too many times recently and each reset costs money which then has a knock on where objectives change from moving forward to standing still at best.
In a latest release Tony Asghar added: "Liam was clear in his interview with the Board on how he plans to improve short-term performance and results as he outlined a coaching and tactical plan to allow Dundee United to return to our long-term strategy.

Surely given the number of resets Tony should wise up and want proof that short term performance and results have improved before dipping into said pot and dishing out 2 year contracts?

If 3 games is truly a good probation then he is easily influenced and knee jerk. These tendencies inevitably result in failure and with the current team following Tony's lead on the pitch then its no surprise we are where we are.
End of October should have been the minimum period to be able to judge.
We can but hope Tony has been in the delorean and has seen our results, but without seeing the Almanac, I will pause before eating humble pie, which I very much hope to do

[tHeArAb]

Imo, we have a recruitment team who are responsible for the sourcing of players - players the manager has requested for a certain position. The manager is then given a list from which he chooses, and Asghar works to close the deal. Not for a second do I think Asghar is actually scouting players. Yes, he may have contacts offering him players & yes he may have a more direct route to a player than the recruitment team (Levitt for example), but I don't believe he is signing guys without the managers say so.

Happy to give him credit for signing guys like Levitt & McGrath as it is his selling of the club that plays probably the largest part in convincing them to sign. Is he to blame for the GK situation? I have no idea. I doubt it. Look at the signing of Niskanen for example. A player our recruitment team had tracked for years. A signing based on data. This could easily have been the case for the GK's and that is the responsibility of the recruitment team, not TA. It's far too easy to blame him for our poorer signings. Every club makes poor signings. We've been it doing long before TA was in place. Then it was primarily down to the manager. These days, with the way football player recruitment works, it's a collective thing rather than one man's decision.

[TerryTheTerror]

Imo, we have a recruitment team who are responsible for the sourcing of players - players the manager has requested for a certain position. The manager is then given a list from which he chooses, and Asghar works to close the deal. Not for a second do I think Asghar is actually scouting players. Yes, he may have contacts offering him players & yes he may have a more direct route to a player than the recruitment team (Levitt for example), but I don't believe he is signing guys without the managers say so.

Happy to give him credit for signing guys like Levitt & McGrath as it is his selling of the club that plays probably the largest part in convincing them to sign. Is he to blame for the GK situation? I have no idea. I doubt it. Look at the signing of Niskanen for example. A player our recruitment team had tracked for years. A signing based on data. This could easily have been the case for the GK's and that is the responsibility of the recruitment team, not TA. It's far too easy to blame him for our poorer signings. Every club makes poor signings. We've been it doing long before TA was in place. Then it was primarily down to the manager. These days, with the way football player recruitment works, it's a collective thing rather than one man's decision.

Indeed. I think what I was getting at is it's TA's responsibility. I don't think for a minute he's deciding which players we get.

[the_arab]

Regardless of the signings, Ross was absolutely terrible. The blame for his exit lies solely at his door for deciding to completely dismantle the foundations of last season and completely change things whilst also bringing in players at the same time. All these new players did not come into a mostly settled line up/formation, they came in to a team trying to adapt to what the new coach wanted, in a new formation that was pretty obvious we didnt have the midfield for and tbh i think Ross hung out the players to dry, some of them are still paying the price for that with the fans. Other than the keepers who are both brutal and Harkes, id expect to see much more from the outfield signings in the coming months.

I have no doubt if Ross had just continued on from last season's setup for a few months, get new players fit and up to speed then change it things might have worked out better for him.