How long

[BCram]

The original plans for Caird Park included two grass and two artificial (if memory serves) pitches to run on exactly the same orientation as Dens Park along with a suite of offices and a gym I think. The pitches were not to be Dundee'd per se but were for general use however Dundee FC would have more or less total use as they required. Dens was to remain the home ground and Caird Park just training and offices like they have currently at Gardyne. So, like you I see no connection between pulling out of Caird Park and any stadium. Stadium was never planned there.

However I also know they were looking at possible new stadium / complete all in sites before the Caird Park thing became an option. One I remember was at Tealing, which would have been ridiculous when you think about it, and it never got past the 'what about' stage. So there does seem to have been an intention to move away from Dens and Caird Park maybe offered an acceptable, probably short term, option. No idea why they pulled out other than maybe seeing the Camperdown site and having a change of mind. I really don't think it was anything to do with trees, birds, mushrooms (Cairdy is great for them) and certainly nothing to do with heating half of Mill o' Mains.

Thanks Deeranged. No link between the two decisions seems most likely.

[Returnofrros]

Maybe no car park......fans are a pain in the Yankee ass after all.

[grantzer]

Maybe no car park......fans are a pain in the Yankee ass after all.

Fans cash however is fine....car parks are nailed on....

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Fans cash however is fine....car parks are nailed on....

unless your trying to patg mate

[grantzer]

unless your trying to patg mate

True,but you pay for the parking before you try to patg. If you don't get in the ground,they got money out of you anyway

[Returnofrros]

Why is it seen as some insurmoutable problem that traffic might get held up on Kingsway for twenty minutes every two weeks in the football season? I used to go to Dortmund games at The Westfalonstadion in the eighties and there were thousands more cars than would ever be at any Dundee game trying to get out of the car park onto the Autobahn; there was never a problem, people just got on with it, yes it took a while to get away sometimes but half an hour was usually it. The police controlled egress, simple as that.

Solution number one - temporary speed restrictions on Kingsway, slow the traffic down to 30mph. Filter all that traffic into lane two. Allow all the traffic from the car park to flow into lane one. Easy.

Solution number two - temporary traffic lights. Slow the traffic to 30mph, stick traffic lights on Kingsway and stop the traffic completely, allow a minute's worth of traffic out of the car park and then let the Kingsway traffic move for two minutes, rinse and repeat - easy. There are already traffic lights on the road so it would be nothing new or revolutionary - they do it on the road into Edinburgh at peak hours so why not there? Note - traffic flow times are estimates and not scientifically calculated (in case Islay gets the calculator out).

Simple traffic management. If planners can make those lights at Claypotts work they'd make something work there. The way some people perceive this 'problem' you'd think they were talking about emptying Wembley onto the M25 and it had to be done within ten minutes.

And add to that the fact that if they were to get the plans right there would be places to go on site after the games so not all the traffic would need away within five minutes of the final whistle. Then of course add in that it's Dundee FC and half the crowd would be gone ten minutes before the end anyway because we'd be getting humped.

Solution 3......stay at Dens

[Deeranged]

Solution 3......stay at Dens

Prime option

[Returnofrros]

If you are talking about Transport Scotland then I have absolutely no faith in them to do the right thing regarding transport issues.
They are the ‘clowns’ who installed large concrete blocks at the Strathmartine Road roundabout where car drivers turning left from the Kingsway into Strathmartine Road cannot see pedestrians crossing Strathmartine Road next to the roundabout.
Transport Scotland staff even installed drop down kerbs for people in wheelchairs and pushing prams at this crossing while car drivers exiting the Kingsway to turn left into Strathmartine Road cannot see people on the crossing until it is too late.
Once the again the lunatics are running the asylum known as Transport Scotland and don’t get me started about Calmac ferries.

Kingsway circus.

Possibly accept circle.

Never roundabout.

[Returnofrros]

I live on Strathmartine Road and have never seen this problem with concrete block restricting the view when turning. I think that's maybe just another problem ;perceived in your imagination.

Can you use your research skills (LOL) to find out how many vehicle versus pedestrian incidents have occurred at the dropped pavement on Strathmartine Road where traffic turns left from Kingsway please? I'd be genuinely interested to know.

Funny half loaf stays aboot there as well 😎

[Deeranged]

Funny half loaf stays aboot there as well ��

That good looking bloke? I remember him, great guy.