Matchday thread2: Derby v Ipswich

[ramAnag]

101 is a lot ill give you that.

I think most fans will at time feel the ref was biased, and at the time it appears that way. I think as others have said it is more like they are just crap. We can all point to games where very very poor decisions cost you, just two games this season for us, Port Value at home and Ipswich at home. The refereeing was nothing short of horrendous, in the Port Vale game he was giving them farcical decisions even their fans were chanting that he was one of their own. After the Ipswich game the officials apologised for being crap.

The only thing ive heard (not sure if it was Poll or not) who said refs do get pre conceptions about players, so if a player is known to be a diver etc they will be on the look out for it more which might influence decisions against them.

Now VAR is a different beast to me, i just dont get some of the decisions and inconsistencies, the onfield ref its easy to make mistakes but when they are watching it on TV etc i just dont get the number of errors they seem to make. Take Forest and Huddersfield in the play off final, you talk about penalties not given but Huddersfield had two obvious penalty appeals waved away and VAR did nothing to rectify it. You can excuse the on field ref, but not VAR.

I thought last week’s against MKD was up there amongst the worst too...but you’re right, refs can be excused sometimes...they’re only human (most of ‘em!)...but VAR, if we’re going to have it then use it properly.
What puzzles me is why such technology seems to be used less controversially in cricket and both rugby codes.

[Andy_Faber]

I thought last week’s against MKD was up there amongst the worst too...but you’re right, refs can be excused sometimes...they’re only human (most of ‘em!)...but VAR, if we’re going to have it then use it properly.
What puzzles me is why such technology seems to be used less controversially in cricket and both rugby codes.

I beg to differ on the rugby one, but from an 'at the game' POV. As a rugby dullard I find the forensicness of it (and the mic'd refs) enlightening on TV but it really breaks the atmosphere when watching from the terraces IMO. My much more interested other half says she is starting to get bored with the TV side of it too, the rush of excitement of a try is starting to lose its magic she says, and I can see that POV although its not actually evident from the racket she makes when Scotland score.

It works with cricket because its an OPTION (with the occasional sensible umpire initiated review). The best bit of sporting 'theatre' from any sport in the last few years was IMO the Stokes/Leach stand, and without Hawkeye (and its poor use in this case) itwould soon have become just another forgotten defeat

[SithHappens]

I thought last week’s against MKD was up there amongst the worst too...but you’re right, refs can be excused sometimes...they’re only human (most of ‘em!)...but VAR, if we’re going to have it then use it properly.
What puzzles me is why such technology seems to be used less controversially in cricket and both rugby codes.

I think at the game we all thought the ref had a stinker but after it looks like he got most of the decisions right.

[SithHappens]

League 1 football deserves league 1 refs. So long as the crapness balances out over the season I can live with it, it even gets the blood pressure up during an otherwise dull game. That Port Vale ref was something else though! Is he still a ref?

Not sure he ever was, I reckon it was a bit like that fella turning up at the BBC for something and a case of mistaken identity saw him being interviewed live on TV. Same with this bloke, turned up to do some plumbing and ended up reffing the game.

[GUNTERYY36]

101 is a lot ill give you that.

I think most fans will at time feel the ref was biased, and at the time it appears that way. I think as others have said it is more like they are just crap. We can all point to games where very very poor decisions cost you, just two games this season for us, Port Value at home and Ipswich at home. The refereeing was nothing short of horrendous, in the Port Vale game he was giving them farcical decisions even their fans were chanting that he was one of their own. After the Ipswich game the officials apologised for being crap.

The only thing ive heard (not sure if it was Poll or not) who said refs do get pre conceptions about players, so if a player is known to be a diver etc they will be on the look out for it more which might influence decisions against them.

Now VAR is a different beast to me, i just dont get some of the decisions and inconsistencies, the onfield ref its easy to make mistakes but when they are watching it on TV etc i just dont get the number of errors they seem to make. Take Forest and Huddersfield in the play off final, you talk about penalties not given but Huddersfield had two obvious penalty appeals waved away and VAR did nothing to rectify it. You can excuse the on field ref, but not VAR.

101 is of course tongue in cheek but all season we've had an attacking, entertaining side who have spent most of the time in the opponent's third of the field. Given the countless number of free kicks outside the box you'd expect, say, at least one per three games inside the box. That would be 13 so far. You're right about lower league refs, they are poor, but you'd expect a few to know the rules and not to favour one team or the other. Last week at Burton one of their players made a breathtaking save managing to stretch an arm and fingertip the ball round the post. Nothing wrong with that except it was a defender who made the save. If we end up taking pens in the play offs, our players will have forgotten where to place the ball never mind score

VAR is a flop, an experiment that's ruined the game. The best you can say about it, it would have put the Maradonna and Lampard refs to shame.

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure he ever was, I reckon it was a bit like that fella turning up at the BBC for something and a case of mistaken identity saw him being interviewed live on TV. Same with this bloke, turned up to do some plumbing and ended up reffing the game.

I know the one you mean. I was also thinking Ali Dia. Or the NASCAR imposter LW Wright. Check HIM out!

[SithHappens]

101 is of course tongue in cheek but all season we've had an attacking, entertaining side who have spent most of the time in the opponent's third of the field. Given the countless number of free kicks outside the box you'd expect, say, at least one per three games inside the box. That would be 13 so far. You're right about lower league refs, they are poor, but you'd expect a few to know the rules and not to favour one team or the other. Last week at Burton one of their players made a breathtaking save managing to stretch an arm and fingertip the ball round the post. Nothing wrong with that except it was a defender who made the save. If we end up taking pens in the play offs, our players will have forgotten where to place the ball never mind score

VAR is a flop, an experiment that's ruined the game. The best you can say about it, it would have put the Maradonna and Lampard refs to shame.

I hate VAR even if it worked. At very least they should limit referees to say 30 seconds to view the footage and make a decision. I can't think of anyone who wants games paused for 4 minutes while a ref looks at footage from every angle.

The Lampard one would be fixed with goal line technology which I don't have an issue with.

[SithHappens]

I know the one you mean. I was also thinking Ali Dia. Or the NASCAR imposter LW Wright. Check HIM out!

Talking of imposters, I see Jesse Lingard faces a trial for giving false information having been caught speeding.I wonder if he claimed to be a top Premier league footballer?

[ramAnag]

I beg to differ on the rugby one, but from an 'at the game' POV. As a rugby dullard I find the forensicness of it (and the mic'd refs) enlightening on TV but it really breaks the atmosphere when watching from the terraces IMO. My much more interested other half says she is starting to get bored with the TV side of it too, the rush of excitement of a try is starting to lose its magic she says, and I can see that POV although its not actually evident from the racket she makes when Scotland score.

It works with cricket because its an OPTION (with the occasional sensible umpire initiated review). The best bit of sporting 'theatre' from any sport in the last few years was IMO the Stokes/Leach stand, and without Hawkeye (and its poor use in this case) itwould soon have become just another forgotten defeat

Agree about the delays in rugby...they can be infuriating, but ultimately if the correct decision is reached, and they usually seem to be, then I think that’s a good thing.
Interestingly, I believe that in the Southern Hemisphere, where disciplinary matters are concerned, when a yellow card/sin bin is given, play recommences immediately allowing the ultimate sanction to be decided during the ten minute sin binning. Certainly reduces hold ups and trial by crowd reaction which, imo, happened in last month’s Ireland v England match.

I feel one of the problems with VAR in this country is the apparent randomness of its referral...a perfect example being in the last minute of last week’s Liverpool v Arsenal match when I felt Liverpool were refused a stonewall penalty which could have huge ramifications for the destination of the title. The challenge on Salah should, at the very least, have been referred to VAR imo. The fact that it wasn’t is not a criticism of VAR but of those human beings who chose when to operate it.

[Andy_Faber]

Agree about the delays in rugby...they can be infuriating, but ultimately if the correct decision is reached, and they usually seem to be, then I think that’s a good thing.
Interestingly, I believe that in the Southern Hemisphere, where disciplinary matters are concerned, when a yellow card/sin bin is given, play recommences immediately allowing the ultimate sanction to be decided during the ten minute sin binning. Certainly reduces hold ups and trial by crowd reaction which, imo, happened in last month’s Ireland v England match.

I feel one of the problems with VAR in this country is the apparent randomness of its referral...a perfect example being in the last minute of last week’s Liverpool v Arsenal match when I felt Liverpool were refused a stonewall penalty which could have huge ramifications for the destination of the title. The challenge on Salah should, at the very least, have been referred to VAR imo. The fact that it wasn’t is not a criticism of VAR but of those human beings who chose when to operate it.

I don't watch enough football to have a big opinion on VAR but what I've seen online sugests you are right its not referred or applied consistently, plus, if there's any rule in football that's more complicated than the old offside rule, it shouldn't be a rule IMO.