Rotherham United - Failings By the Previous Manager / Recruitmet Team / Owner

[animallittle3]

I think it's pretty reasonable to say that both our club's have followed similar paths over the last few seasons with the inevitable inquests as to why we yoyo , this HC , that HC , budget , ownership , size of club at championship level etc etc .

All have their merits and are decent enough debates to have .

Bear with me on this because whilst you can't ever turn your nose up at a quick championship return , it doesn't make any sense not to take the opportunity when it's there , has it or was it also a detrimental way to try and establish yourselves with the odds considerably stacked against us .

I remember that awful championship season you had when you hardly won a game and came straight back through the play offs , was it ever going to be anything less than a huge struggle by getting straight back ?

We had a similar championship season recently , rock bottom , five wins all season , awful and on another day at Wembley last May we would have done exactly the same thing as yourselves and come straight back .

God only knows what a bloody struggle this season would have been and one transfer window to turn yourself from absolutely not good enough to something reasonably competitive , reasonably competitive would be making a fight of it before the inevitable relegation .

Isn't the best way to enter the championship for club's of our size to actually try and assemble a proper team at league one level , put together over a longer period of time who gradually get better and when they reach the championship are way more comfortable .

Tell you what's had me thinking like this , Brentford , all those championship seasons , some near misses too but when they were ready to make the step up to the PL they were more than ready .

That's looking at club's like Norwich , Watford , Blades and Burnley who yoyo like we do .

It's just a thought and I'm probably running out of ideas to solve our championship woes but thought it was worth a post .

[welovebooth]

I think it's pretty reasonable to say that both our club's have followed similar paths over the last few seasons with the inevitable inquests as to why we yoyo , this HC , that HC , budget , ownership , size of club at championship level etc etc .

All have their merits and are decent enough debates to have .

Bear with me on this because whilst you can't ever turn your nose up at a quick championship return , it doesn't make any sense not to take the opportunity when it's there , has it or was it also a detrimental way to try and establish yourselves with the odds considerably stacked against us .

I remember that awful championship season you had when you hardly won a game and came straight back through the play offs , was it ever going to be anything less than a huge struggle by getting straight back ?

We had a similar championship season recently , rock bottom , five wins all season , awful and on another day at Wembley last May we would have done exactly the same thing as yourselves and come straight back .

God only knows what a bloody struggle this season would have been and one transfer window to turn yourself from absolutely not good enough to something reasonably competitive , reasonably competitive would be making a fight of it before the inevitable relegation .

Isn't the best way to enter the championship for club's of our size to actually try and assemble a proper team at league one level , put together over a longer period of time who gradually get better and when they reach the championship are way more comfortable .

Tell you what's had me thinking like this , Brentford , all those championship seasons , some near misses too but when they were ready to make the step up to the PL they were more than ready .

That's looking at club's like Norwich , Watford , Blades and Burnley who yoyo like we do .

It's just a thought and I'm probably running out of ideas to solve our championship woes but thought it was worth a post .

So are you saying if your team isn't built up over a tine and isn't capable off staying in the championship than don't go out to get promotion.

I'd like to know how much brentford squad cost that gone them up from the championship to premiership

[animallittle3]

So are you saying if your team isn't built up over a tine and isn't capable off staying in the championship than don't go out to get promotion.

I'd like to know how much brentford squad cost that gone them up from the championship to premiership

Your missing the point , nobody can turn down an instant return to the championship after relegation , what I'm saying is , looking at the last few years is it the best way forward and is it detrimental to do it and is a more measured approach the best way to establish yourself in the championship ?

When you talk of money and Brentford you are not looking at it in a relative way , Brentford are outperforming bigger club's with more resources , you are looking at it from the point that Brentford simply have more money than Rotherham and Barnsley which they obviously have .

The outcome would be for Rotherham and Barnsley to be outperforming bigger club's with more resources at championship level and holding our own .

Let me put it to you another way , the reason Ipswich Town are smashing the championship this season is because they spent three seasons in league one , I can more or less guarantee that if Ipswich had made an instant return to the championship following relegation they wouldn't be where they sit right now because they weren't even remotely ready .

So in relative terms for ourselves we'd spend three seasons or even four but come up with a team capable of holding its own at championship level .

The debates we currently have centre around things that are never going to change , both Rotherham and Barnsley will always be club's with small resources at championship level and have smaller average gates .

The debate I'm putting forward is does a more measured approach at league one level likely to bear more fruit than a yoyo existence and give ourselves a better chance of outperforming bigger club's with better resources over a longer lifespan than we do right now .

[flourbasher]

If Bolton and Portsmouth go up this season I’m expecting both of them to stop up comfortably even if they don’t make a lot of signings

I would also add that both Ipswich and Bolton seemed to play more like a cship team when we played them in div one. That style doesn’t always get promotion though hence why they’ve been there a while but once they do they are much better equipped to survive.
I suspect that is what MT would have tried to emulate if he’d have been retained

SUFC are another example of that.

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

Over 60 years of following the Millers Id say your post applies to 80% of those years. The fans that are left have come to accept mediocracy ( myself included). We are told we should be thankful that we have a football club that's on the whole solvent but surely there should be more than that? Ive got a car that's economical and reliable but it would have been nice to have owned a Bentley for a while

We did - David

Good that one Grist

[Timbertop]

Before the club went bust,and under the stewardship of various owners,notably the Booth regime,there was always a multitude of small shareholders(some with only a single share) who were entitled to attend shareholders meetings and the AGM and ask questions..That has all gone and many think we now seem to be under what could arguably be called almost dictatorial control.People talk about the current board of directors but who are they ? Can only think of Mr Stewart,Mr Stewart junior and the lady finance director whose name escapes me but who seems to have a major influence on how the football club operates.

[CAMiller]

Before the club went bust,and under the stewardship of various owners,notably the Booth regime,there was always a multitude of small shareholders(some with only a single share) who were entitled to attend shareholders meetings and the AGM and ask questions..That has all gone and many think we now seem to be under what could arguably be called almost dictatorial control.People talk about the current board of directors but who are they ? Can only think of Mr Stewart,Mr Stewart junior and the lady finance director whose name escapes me but who seems to have a major influence on how the football club operates.

If you own your house and paid in excess of a million quid for it, would you sell 10x1 pound shares to a bunch of scruffy gits just so they can come and have a say in what colour you are going to paint the bathroom?

[caytonmiller]

We don't know the contract with Morrison, but Cardiff City offered him pay when you play contract, & would have offered
a better wage than the Millers, so speculation is Morrison is on a full contract, without stipulation on getting paid when
you play.

That was last season. We resigned him in June so he may well be on a pay as you play type contr

[CAMiller]

That was last season. We resigned him in June so he may well be on a pay as you play type contr

I think a pray as you play contract would have been more appropriate as I'm pretty sure we must have upset someone upstairs.

[Timbertop]

Would you be a fan of the Charlton Athletic organisation Cam ?