Give the manager more time

[Bohinen]

Spot on. No way our owners will make a decision at this point. They'll need to see more to be absolutely certain of the next move. Right now, sacking a manager after six weeks would probably be more damaging to the club's reputation and finances than sticking with him. There's still a chance he'll turn this run around.

We need calm heads right now, not emotional ones. Our current failings aren't down to one man. Yes, he might not be the right coach to lead us forward long term, but sacking him won't instantly solve the recruitment blunders and clear issues we have in the squad. It will cause more upheaval and instability, however. I'd give him more time. We're aren't going up or down this season, so there's no reason to rush into hasty decisions.

An argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as a false compromise or as taking the middle ground, is a logical fallacy in which a position between two extreme points of view is promoted as the correct position. It is considered a fallacy because the quality of being a compromise has nothing to do with the veracity of a claims. A compromise may itself have implications which require scrutiny.

Sack him, he's useless.
No, keep him, he will inevitably come good.
Give him more time .. the 'sensible solution'.

[Elite_Pie]

An argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as a false compromise or as taking the middle ground, is a logical fallacy in which a position between two extreme points of view is promoted as the correct position. It is considered a fallacy because the quality of being a compromise has nothing to do with the veracity of a claims. A compromise may itself have implications which require scrutiny.

Sack him, he's useless.
No, keep him, he will inevitably come good.
Give him more time .. the 'sensible solution'.

That reminds me of a very long disagreement I had with a certain ex-poster on here regarding Neal Ardley in the relegation season. His argument was that constantly sacking managers rarely leads to success. I agreed with the principle, but said sticking with a poor manager for the sake of it is even less likely to lead to success. That's the conundrum with Maynard at the moment. Because we are not in relegation danger I would give him more time, but I must admit it's more in hope than expectation. The other problem is that we are very rapidly losing the feelgood factor we had built, and if this awful form continues it won't be easy to get back. A tricky one for the brothers to solve.

[jackal2]

That reminds me of a very long disagreement I had with a certain ex-poster on here regarding Neal Ardley in the relegation season. His argument was that constantly sacking managers rarely leads to success. I agreed with the principle, but said sticking with a poor manager for the sake of it is even less likely to lead to success. That's the conundrum with Maynard at the moment. Because we are not in relegation danger I would give him more time, but I must admit it's more in hope than expectation.

Certainly there has to be a 'cut off' point where you conclude that a manager isn't having an impact or likely to have one in the future. I think the difference between previous owners and the current ones is that they their 'cut off' point is longer compared with the knee-jerk nature of, say, Trew and Hardy, whose decision-making was more influenced by ego and the pressure they felt from fans (not least because they spent too long on social media!).

I think last night's result confirms, if there was any remaining doubt, that Stuart Maynard has had a poor start, but at present that's all it is: a start - one month and 7 games. There was a ray of light in the outstanding performance at Newport playing with a different system, but having to play Wrexham in the following game wasn't ideal, and confidence is now really low. I think the Head Coach got the tactics spot on against Newport (obviously, in fact) but seems to have moved away from that blueprint at the first sign of trouble, and that hasn't helped.

[slack_pie]

An argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as a false compromise or as taking the middle ground, is a logical fallacy in which a position between two extreme points of view is promoted as the correct position. It is considered a fallacy because the quality of being a compromise has nothing to do with the veracity of a claims. A compromise may itself have implications which require scrutiny.

Sack him, he's useless.
No, keep him, he will inevitably come good.
Give him more time .. the 'sensible solution'.

I'm not saying giving him more time is the right thing to do because it's a compromise or the middle ground. I'm saying it's the right thing to do because I don't think it's possible to know for certain that he's the wrong man for the job yet. I need more time to come to that conclusion with certainty, and I imagine our owners do to.

Given that we aren't going up or down this season, why not see what happens over the next few weeks rather than pulling the trigger right now? What tangible benefit would there be in sacking him and beginning yet another search for a new manager mid-season? And what if the new-new manager loses more games than he wins? Should we sack him too after six weeks?

[Kent Magpie]

There isn't a single point of failure going on here. The decline is due to many factors; recruitment, new CEO, new Head Coach etc.

As we are focussing on the Head Coach, I think that SM has faced some huge changes and challenges; leaving a secure job, moving to Nottingham (LW cited living away as a reason for leaving)taking on a far more demanding role in a completely different environment, as well as taking on a successful team rather than 'rescuing a failing team'. It could be said that he shouldn't have taken the job, but realistically who would turn down a promotion like the one we were offering? However, Notts should have mitigated the risks of taking on an inexperienced leader and I don't think they have. So, I think some of the culpability lies in not providing a support structure for the new management team, in terms of an experienced head to act as consultant / DoF and mentor. I would be looking at doing that asap for at least the rest of the season.

[Kent Magpie]

I'm not saying giving him more time is the right thing to do because it's a compromise or the middle ground. I'm saying it's the right thing to do because I don't think it's possible to know for certain that he's the wrong man for the job yet. I need more time to come to that conclusion with certainty, and I imagine our owners do to.

Given that we aren't going up or down this season, why not see what happens over the next few weeks rather than pulling the trigger right now? What tangible benefit would there be in sacking him and beginning yet another search for a new manager mid-season? And what if the new-new manager loses more games than he wins? Should we sack him too after six weeks?

Good point... sack him now and the season is likely to be almost done by the time a new guy comes in, we simply don't move that quickly in these situations. We may as well stick rather than twist now for that reason alone.

[OldBanksy]

Players dissing the fans is a disgrace and a sign that the manager has lost discipline and respect, if he ever had it. I even hate to see players trying to motivate the fans with arm gestures because it's insulting.

Who is going to lead on this, face the difficult questions and apologise? The club, the manager, the captain? It can't be ignored.

Only adequate response is a win on saturday to start an unbeaten run.

[durhampie]

The dilemma will be that, if we continue this poor run of form for the rest of the season and nothing is done to address it, then those new season ticket holders may well not bother to renew.. Resulting in lower crowds and less revenue to compete with the other teams.. It would be nice to hear from our CEO, he seems to have vanished into fresh air...

[OldBanksy]

What's the idea of thanking your god for your goals? You only look stupid when you concede the winning penalty. Perhaps that's his god's way of punishing him for his arrogance in dissing the fans. I noticed Macca wasn't impressed with the boy's antics and didn't go to celebrate with him.

[legs77]

The dilemma will be that, if we continue this poor run of form for the rest of the season and nothing is done to address it, then those new season ticket holders may well not bother to renew.. Resulting in lower crowds and less revenue to compete with the other teams.. It would be nice to hear from our CEO, he seems to have vanished into fresh air...

Correct a few months back he was saying we have funds for this that and the other.

We dont "need" to sell our assets but in 6 months our 3 biggest assets wont be here LW/ML/JJ.

We have employed a young version of Ardley and we all saw how cr*p he was.