OT Fuel Allowance

[OneJohnnyQuinn]

Agreed.
We look after the old fella next door he has nobody and he’s not wealthy at all.
I’ve told him get your heating on myself and another couple of neighbours have told him we will sort the bill when it comes.
I know other ones who are picking the bills up for their relatives.
Do politicians still get money towards their heating etc ?

Yes they do unless they live in London

[frogmiller]

Nobody has suggested that all pensioners live 'a life of luxury with assets of around a million'. Quite the reverse, it has been said that some pensioners don't need the benefit and others do, hence the means testing.

Back in September, frog told us about his in-laws who apparently used the fuel allowance to pay green fees. Do you think it fair that working people - some of whom will be low earners and perhaps struggling to bring up a family - should subsidise their golfing through their taxes?

Thanks for referencing my in laws of whom I have never mentioned!
I spoke about my mother and how she claimed pension top up and also my father and step mother that can’t.
Losing the fuel allowance will affect their abilities to pay their green fees.

The thing is about my father and step mother is that they aren’t rich. She has an auxiliary nurses pension and my father has a miners pension that he started claiming when he found out he had cancer.
They are both in their eighties now and like most people of that age have lost a lot of long lasting friends as they have passed away.

One thing that I know about people is that if you take away their ability to be a part of something for example, in this instance their ability to pay their green fees then you risk isolating people.

[frogmiller]

I think that most people are fogetting the backdrop to this just like they have to the riots in Southport and the way the police were told to police the riots the week before at Leeds. This is on top of the 2 guys that attacked 3 police officers in Manchester airport who still haven't been charged with anything!

This government has given away Billions of pounds in foreign aide and paid inflation boosting pay rises to the junior doctors and train workers.

Yes they deserve catch up payments but not at the cost of pensioners because a huge hole was discovered in the public coffers allegedly.

Freebies given to new arrivals now labled IRREGULAR migrants. Money given to the UKraine public coffers to fund their retired or billions given to buy millitary hardware to fight a never ending war! Or the Billions given to stop Carbon Dioxide levels raising which is the life blood of everything living on this planet!

It is clear that these lunatics aren't working for you! They take your money and give it to anyone other than you!




This Labour government

[howdydoo]

When the temperature drops below a certain level, provide households with pension age occupants free electricity. Cap the amount per hour/day.

Stop giving them money.

[frogmiller]

When the temperature drops below a certain level, provide households with pension age occupants free electricity. Cap the amount per hour/day.

Stop giving them money.

Do what they do in France and give them a cheque payable to their electric provider.

[KerrAvon]

Thanks for referencing my in laws of whom I have never mentioned!
I spoke about my mother and how she claimed pension top up and also my father and step mother that can’t.
Losing the fuel allowance will affect their abilities to pay their green fees.

The thing is about my father and step mother is that they aren’t rich. She has an auxiliary nurses pension and my father has a miners pension that he started claiming when he found out he had cancer.
They are both in their eighties now and like most people of that age have lost a lot of long lasting friends as they have passed away.

One thing that I know about people is that if you take away their ability to be a part of something for example, in this instance their ability to pay their green fees then you risk isolating people.

So your answer to the question that I asked is 'Yes, I do think taxpayers should subsidise my father and stepmother's (correction noted) golfing.'

I'm afraid that we are going to have to disagree on that. Some of those taxpayers probably couldn't afford to get anywhere near a golf course.

[frogmiller]

So your answer to the question that I asked is 'Yes, I do think taxpayers should subsidise my father and stepmother's (correction noted) golfing.'

I'm afraid that we are going to have to disagree on that. Some of those taxpayers probably couldn't afford to get anywhere near a golf course.

Jesus?

You know how to twist anything don’t you? It’s your job and hobby.
Don’t put words in my mouth. You don’t have a judge in front of you seeing this and making a decision on what part truth he sees or creating enough doubt to hang someone or not.

Others can see the point I’m making but you choose to pick a fight and denounce my parents, there way of life and what they’ll lose.

You can’t see that the cost of that will be passed on anyway either through ill health both physically and mentally.
Do you think that the extra visits to the doctors for people left isolated is free?
Every single person on this board will know someone who’s deteriorated health wise because they lose contact with others!
We see advertisements on tv about people volunteering to sit and talk with widowed pensioners.

I know that they will make the right choice and leave their friends and access to the golf course and pay their bills.

[KerrAvon]

In why way am I denouncing your parents? I have no issue with how they live their lives and fair play and much respect to them if they are still playing golf into their 80s. But it was you who brought them into it when you posted on this subject in September. If you choose to do that, it’s more than a bit unrealistic for you to expect that nobody should comment upon what you said.

You told us that your father and stepmother used their winter fuel allowance for green fees. I’m not criticising them for that – if the government gave me money that I didn’t need for fuel, I’d spend it on something else too. But it goes to the heart of the issue under discussion, doesn’t it? Should the state give people spending money, or should it support people who need support? For me, it’s the latter. If we disagree on that, then fair enough.

Consider this. Universal Credit is a UK benefit that is available to support low-income households. I could apply for it right now if I wished to and it would be refused almost as quickly because I am financially ineligible for it – the government has set rules to ensure that it goes to people who need it, not people like me who don’t need it. And that is exactly what is happening with the winter fuel allowance.

As you feel that I am putting words into your mouth – what do you think - do you think it fair that working people - some of whom will be low earners and perhaps struggling to bring up a family - should subsidise your father and stepmother’s golfing through their taxes? It’s a question that calls for a yes or no answer. You know my views, I'm interested in yours.

[frogmiller]

In why way am I denouncing your parents? I have no issue with how they live their lives and fair play and much respect to them if they are still playing golf into their 80s. But it was you who brought them into it when you posted on this subject in September. If you choose to do that, it’s more than a bit unrealistic for you to expect that nobody should comment upon what you said.

You told us that your father and stepmother used their winter fuel allowance for green fees. I’m not criticising them for that – if the government gave me money that I didn’t need for fuel, I’d spend it on something else too. But it goes to the heart of the issue under discussion, doesn’t it? Should the state give people spending money, or should it support people who need support? For me, it’s the latter. If we disagree on that, then fair enough.

Consider this. Universal Credit is a UK benefit that is available to support low-income households. I could apply for it right now if I wished to and it would be refused almost as quickly because I am financially ineligible for it – the government has set rules to ensure that it goes to people who need it, not people like me who don’t need it. And that is exactly what is happening with the winter fuel allowance.

As you feel that I am putting words into your mouth – what do you think - do you think it fair that working people - some of whom will be low earners and perhaps struggling to bring up a family - should subsidise your father and stepmother’s golfing through their taxes? It’s a question that calls for a yes or no answer. You know my views, I'm interested in yours.

Don’t interact with me Kerr!

[KerrAvon]

Typical troofer - trying to stifle free speech.