NUFC vs Bournemouth

[OwdBillCook]

Aye, that's my feeling too.
I thought of Eddie as a young, upcoming English manager with a very bright future. I thought he might be with us for a long time. Reverse the trend of firing managers every 5 minutes. Be more like Fergie or Wenger - long-term success. But, more importantly, I thought he was a very intelligent guy who could easily figure out how to progress in approach and tactics as his teams moved upwards though the leagues. That he could easily adapt to the Prem and then take the leap into the CL in his stride.
Seems I'm wrong.
For a young, intelligent guy he now seems stuck in his ways. Unable to see that what he is doing is not working. Very much not working.

I'm very sad and very, very disappointed. I thought he was the man who could grow with the team. Take us to new highs though new ideas. Look at what the best Prem and European teams are doing. Take the best ideas, ditch the worst.
But no, he now seems so under pressure that he has become beleaguered. Almost defiant. "My way should work, therefore I will stick with it until it does work".
He's burned out with us. Don't know why - it shouldn't be like this. I think there is a world-class manager in there, but maybe he is too stubborn to let it out.
Whatever.
I'm quite sure though that carrying on with Eddie is not going to help Newcastle.
And that carrying on with Newcastle is not going to help Eddie.
It's a real bugger. I like the guy. He has done wonders for us. But I think he needs to go. To take some time out, sit back and think deeply.
He's a better manager than he's showing us now. I hope he can sort out his ideas, come back with another team and do great things.

[Jammy89]

Not massivley wrong there and I hate saying it.

I honestly think that Eddie may walk this week.

[HughieG]

I agree with 90% of what you?re saying, Billy Cookie - which makes me think that there must be something going on that we can?t quite see. Eddie?s actually been here for a lot of years compared to what?s most managers get at any top level club - and he?s improved the team over time, up until this season. He didn?t just start being a bad coach and stop being intelligent.

Still, his tactics and subs frustrate me. What happened? Is a lot of it on the players, injuries, the management above Eddie, etc.? Can?t quite work it out. I hesitate to blame Eddie for all of it though.

[Nufcian]

Aye, that's my feeling too.
I thought of Eddie as a young, upcoming English manager with a very bright future. I thought he might be with us for a long time. Reverse the trend of firing managers every 5 minutes. Be more like Fergie or Wenger - long-term success. But, more importantly, I thought he was a very intelligent guy who could easily figure out how to progress in approach and tactics as his teams moved upwards though the leagues. That he could easily adapt to the Prem and then take the leap into the CL in his stride.
Seems I'm wrong.
For a young, intelligent guy he now seems stuck in his ways. Unable to see that what he is doing is not working. Very much not working.

I'm very sad and very, very disappointed. I thought he was the man who could grow with the team. Take us to new highs though new ideas. Look at what the best Prem and European teams are doing. Take the best ideas, ditch the worst.
But no, he now seems so under pressure that he has become beleaguered. Almost defiant. "My way should work, therefore I will stick with it until it does work".
He's burned out with us. Don't know why - it shouldn't be like this. I think there is a world-class manager in there, but maybe he is too stubborn to let it out.
Whatever.
I'm quite sure though that carrying on with Eddie is not going to help Newcastle.
And that carrying on with Newcastle is not going to help Eddie.
It's a real bugger. I like the guy. He has done wonders for us. But I think he needs to go. To take some time out, sit back and think deeply.
He's a better manager than he's showing us now. I hope he can sort out his ideas, come back with another team and do great things.

Very well said and I agree.

His own comments after the Mackem away match ‘needing a Plan B means Plan A isn’t working’… says it all really, he’s sticking with his same approach still and it clearly IS NOT working, yet we see no real change, no attempt to integrate Woltemade and Wissa, etc etc.

I like how you’ve worded it, he is a better manager than he is showing… but can we wait for him to accept he needs to change?

A definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting a different outcome… which is what we are seeing.

[toptoon]

It?s a good discussion, this and it deserves a thread of its own. Big problems currently, no doubt, but when you step back and look at things in the cold light of day you see, not just the cup but the improvement he has made in most players at the club. This seemed to stop when our fixture list exploded and there was less training time. We then made poor signings for our attack - Wissa and Elanga are just sh*t and Nick is a square peg in a round hole.
This man has so much credit at the club and I think back to the regret when Sir Bobby left.
I hope he?s here at the start of next season, after a good window and we go again.

[OwdBillCook]

This man has so much credit at the club and I think back to the regret when Sir Bobby left.
I hope he?s here at the start of next season, after a good window and we go again.

Aye, totally agree about his credit, and Sir Bobby.
But, did Eddie's success stop because our fixture list exploded? Or did it stop coincident with our fixture list exploding? I'm not sure.
As I said on another thread, I started to worry (OK, only a wee bit at first) that things didn't seem quite right after Amanda and Mehrdad left.
Then, more recently, the bonkers pressure that Hopkinson put on Eddie by saying that we should be in the mix with the world's top teams by 2030.
Surely he knew that financial constraints make this all but impossible? Why the hell did he say that??
For me, the implication was that Newcastle had to qualify for the Champions League every year, without fail, up to 2030. If not, we had failed in our objective. Did he say that, at the time he did, because he wanted Eddie to fail??????

I hate conspiracy theories as much as I hate VAR. But I have to wonder.......

[Marat18]

For me, the implication was that Newcastle had to qualify for the Champions League every year, without fail, up to 2030. If not, we had failed in our objective. Did he say that, at the time he did, because he wanted Eddie to fail??????

I hate conspiracy theories as much as I hate VAR. But I have to wonder.......

If we go that road then Eddie is get out of jail card for Hopkinson.
he can always claim his share of success and blame everything on previous setup

[HughieG]

No matter what happens, if he goes or not, Eddie will go down in the history of our club. The day he leaves will be an infinitely sad one, even if it's the right decision - which I am unsure of.