O/T Jeremy corbyn

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

But those were the days when workers had bargaining power biglad .

ASOS in Grimethorpe is a thriving business today , go ask the workers how much their profitable success affects their lives ?

Ah but there's the point. Those europeans that Jeremy Corbyn wants to come here to work, don't join unions.

Further undermining the "old" working class terms and conditions at work.

[animallittle3]

This is why I said "All the above is common sense but we need a government that will deliver this".

What we need is a return to a government that has the countries best interests at heart not one for the rich and one for poor.

Right now we have 2 big political parties that are intent on making the gap between rich and poor even wider.

Wasn't that Blair's vision biglad , remind me how that worked out .

The only thing business understands is when they are robustly challenged with bargaining power and if they don't play ball their businesses suffer .

Champagne and salmon with Blair and Brown cruising the thames and their w@nkers in the city has proved to be a disaster .

I think you will find that history favours my position when it comes to improving the lifes of the working class , everything had to be fought for in the strongest terms favourable at the time .

Just how successful would the rolling out of ZHC s have proved inside the N.C.B and British Steel , it wouldn't have happened because no fecker would dare even try .

And that is all you need Biglad , effective power , you don't have to even walk out on strike to be effective all you need is some teeth and solidarity .

[BigLadonOS]

Wasn't that Blair's vision biglad , remind me how that worked out .

The only thing business understands is when they are robustly challenged with bargaining power and if they don't play ball their businesses suffer .

Champagne and salmon with Blair and Brown cruising the thames and their w@nkers in the city has proved to be a disaster .

I think you will find that history favours my position when it comes to improving the lifes of the working class , everything had to be fought for in the strongest terms favourable at the time .

Just how successful would the rolling out of ZHC s have proved inside the N.C.B and British Steel , it wouldn't have happened because no fecker would dare even try .

And that is all you need Biglad , effective power , you don't have to even walk out on strike to be effective all you need is some teeth and solidarity .

Are you for real?

Blair had no such vision, in fact he had the exact opposite vision and was more in line with Conservative views than traditional Labour views. Clement Attlee was the first person to use the phrase (New Labour) and I think you will find that Attlee and Blair had a different meaning when they used it.

[animallittle3]

Are you for real?

Blair had no such vision, in fact he had the exact opposite vision and was more in line with Conservative views than traditional Labour views. Clement Attlee was the first person to use the phrase (New Labour) and I think you will find that Attlee and Blair had a different meaning when they used it.

The minimum wage , working tax credits and investment in to schools and the NHS clearly past you by biglad .

I'm no Blair lover by any means but it would be unfair to place him as a true blue tory , tory light most definitely .

Blair's problem was that you can't be a gamekeeper and a poacher and he got hoodwinked by the w@nkers in the city and big business whilst presenting an image of taking the working class vote for granted .

A man should always know his limitations .

There isn't a Labour government worth it's salt who should have championed and trusted those feckers in the city and the electorate punished them for it .

I never thought Blair was totally against me but I can't say he was whole heartedly with me either .

It's us versus them , always was and always will be , it's very naive in my opinion to think some new party will come across and bridge the divides .

Nobody but nobody compromises on the distribution of wealth and they aren't about to start today .

You want to get your slice of the pie then you have to fight for it and win , no fecker is giving you anything .

History is my reference .

[BigLadonOS]

The minimum wage , working tax credits and investment in to schools and the NHS clearly past you by biglad .

No mate none of them did.

Working tax credits are needed because wages are not enough to keep a working family above the cost of living which makes the minimum wage not fit for purpose.

The NHS under Blair was encouraged to compete against each other in individual areas which is why some hospitals had to close and a free for all broke out for their business (notice how I said business not patients). In some areas the NHS is starving for funds while others can waste millions without any comeback. NHS Foundation Trust's worked for some but failed for a lot more. Thanks Tony.

The investment in schools you talk about came more from private investment than government investment. I agree that more money was spent in schools but little of that money was spent on education and more on such things as redevelopment, after school clubs, academies etc. Pupils leaving schools with higher grades etc only grew by a very small margin. Pre school and junior schools had very little investment in education. Secondary schools investment went mainly on ofsted. The GDP spent on the education of pupils under Blair still fell behind many countries in the EU in some cases by as much as 2% even though teachers rose by more than 30,000 and teaching assistants rose by more than 120,000.

I don't think they passed me by Animal I think I understood them more than you thats all.

[KerrAvon]

The minimum wage , working tax credits and investment in to schools and the NHS clearly past you by biglad .

I'm no Blair lover by any means but it would be unfair to place him as a true blue tory , tory light most definitely .

Blair's problem was that you can't be a gamekeeper and a poacher and he got hoodwinked by the w@nkers in the city and big business whilst presenting an image of taking the working class vote for granted .

A man should always know his limitations .

There isn't a Labour government worth it's salt who should have championed and trusted those feckers in the city and the electorate punished them for it .

I never thought Blair was totally against me but I can't say he was whole heartedly with me either .

It's us versus them , always was and always will be , it's very naive in my opinion to think some new party will come across and bridge the divides .

Nobody but nobody compromises on the distribution of wealth and they aren't about to start today .

You want to get your slice of the pie then you have to fight for it and win , no fecker is giving you anything .

History is my reference .

History is great, but you need to learn from it as well as referencing it.

Remind me how the union militancy of the period 1965 to 1985 worked out. The value of money being eroded by inflation that was partially driven by excessive wage demands and swathes of British industry priced out of markets such as to fuel unemployment.

[animallittle3]

No mate none of them did.

Working tax credits are needed because wages are not enough to keep a working family above the cost of living which makes the minimum wage not fit for purpose.

The NHS under Blair was encouraged to compete against each other in individual areas which is why some hospitals had to close and a free for all broke out for their business (notice how I said business not patients). In some areas the NHS is starving for funds while others can waste millions without any comeback. NHS Foundation Trust's worked for some but failed for a lot more. Thanks Tony.

The investment in schools you talk about came more from private investment than government investment. I agree that more money was spent in schools but little of that money was spent on education and more on such things as redevelopment, after school clubs, academies etc. Pupils leaving schools with higher grades etc only grew by a very small margin. Pre school and junior schools had very little investment in education. Secondary schools investment went mainly on ofsted. The GDP spent on the education of pupils under Blair still fell behind many countries in the EU in some cases by as much as 2% even though teachers rose by more than 30,000 and teaching assistants rose by more than 120,000.

I don't think they passed me by Animal I think I understood them more than you thats all.

That still doesn't make Blair a full blown tory , a bad policy maker maybe because the will was demonstrated to improve wages , schools and the NHS .

[BigLadonOS]

That still doesn't make Blair a full blown tory , a bad policy maker maybe because the will was demonstrated to improve wages , schools and the NHS .

Was the will there really? I think they were nothing but election campaign fodder (winter is coming) for us dumb ****ers in the north.

NHS Foundation Trust's, Academe Trust's, Education Trust's all were set up for profit making nothing more and with the NMW effecting less than 2% of workers you could say that it was nothing more than an effort to hoodwink the voters.

You are correct on one thing though. Blair was not a fully fledged Tory but he came very close to it.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Tony Blair is one of those dangerous people that desire long lasting fame. A place in the history books as “a great leader”

unfortunately he lacks all of the talents and skills to be one, and has gone into the history books as a failure.

[WanChaiMiller]

How Oxford Uni shaped Brexit. Interesting Northern working classes siding with Tory elite expecting a better deal out of Britain.

https://amp.ft.com/content/85fc694c-...mpression=true