This insanity is endless...

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Yes hospitals are dangerous places, especially as antibiotic resistance grows. I got MRSA which took a while to clear. Patients died from Clostridium they got in hospital up here. Hope your sister is ok.

Thanks for your concern OC, she did recover from the burns and skin grafts, but a couple of years later she was diagnosed with cancer of the oesophagus and was dead within ten weeks. None of us know what's just around the corner do we ?

[sinkov]

"Dr Clare Craig pointed out on Twitter last night that there’s a discrepancy in Europe between the number of “cases” (positive tests), the number of “Covid deaths” (validated with a positive test) and the number of excess deaths, i.e., there are plenty of the former two, but excess deaths in 2020 are close to the five-year average.

“We are in a false positive pseudo epidemic,” she concludes.

Hard to disagree."

Indeed it is.

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Thanks for your concern OC, she did recover from the burns and skin grafts, but a couple of years later she was diagnosed with cancer of the oesophagus and was dead within ten weeks. None of us know what's just around the corner do we ?

Really sorry to hear that, no you’re right. You don’t know what’s for you.
I’ve had two close shaves where within hours of being normal, I had a good chance of dying from unusual illnesses that presented very acutely. Fortunately I recovered from both, with a different perspective on life from 5 months subsequent recuperation and a dose of MRSA.

[Norder]

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exposing those certifiable crackpots - The Cult of Covid.

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You can trust Dixie based economist if you like.
He works at the Mises Institute an Austrian organisation based in America which has lhas been turned into a sales funnel for the White Nationalist branch of the Alt Right". Vohra further accused the Mises Institute as a whole of being "authoritarian, racist, nazi"

[sinkov]

You can trust Dixie based economist if you like.
He works at the Mises Institute an Austrian organisation based in America which has lhas been turned into a sales funnel for the White Nationalist branch of the Alt Right". Vohra further accused the Mises Institute as a whole of being "authoritarian, racist, nazi"

You keep emphasising the issue of trust OC, which you are perfectly entitled to, most sources will have an agenda, so you're right to be wary. But you seem to accept implicitly everything our government tells you, and everything the BBC tells you, without question, two sources which also have an agenda.

Regarding those two sources, why does your antennae not quiver, why do your alarm bells not ring, why do you park your normally sharply-honed critical faculties somewhere in a lay-by, and then forget where you've parked them ? I'm genuinely baffled OC, you're nobody's fool, but you seem content to buy into government propaganda on Covid without demur, why the blind spot, do you seriously think you're getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from the government, the BBC and SAGE ? Maybe you do ?

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You keep emphasising the issue of trust OC, which you are perfectly entitled to, most sources will have an agenda, so you're right to be wary. But you seem to accept implicitly everything our government tells you, and everything the BBC tells you, without question, two sources which also have an agenda.

Regarding those two sources, why does your antennae not quiver, why do your alarm bells not ring, why do you park your normally sharply-honed critical faculties somewhere in a lay-by, and then forget where you've parked them ? I'm genuinely baffled OC, you're nobody's fool, but you seem content to buy into government propaganda on Covid without demur, why the blind spot, do you seriously think you're getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from the government, the BBC and SAGE ? Maybe you do ?

Lol
Having worked with such figures for years I’m fully aware few are perfect so nitpicking is easy, but they are indicators - you seem blind to what’s happening in the world.
US out of control, Italy, France, Spain now even Germany and Czech Republic.
Are suggesting every government is up to no good and fiddling death rates or is Boris and the BBC changing them all.

[sinkov]

Lol
Having worked with such figures for years I’m fully aware few are perfect so nitpicking is easy, but they are indicators - you seem blind to what’s happening in the world.
US out of control, Italy, France, Spain now even Germany and Czech Republic.
Are suggesting every government is up to no good and fiddling death rates or is Boris and the BBC changing them all.

Not really answering my question OC, I'll try again.

"do you seriously think you're getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from the government, the BBC and SAGE ?"

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Sinkov
Just spent ages typing a full reply and lost it when I sent it, so I’m a bit hacked off.

You didn’t answer mine
Are suggesting every government is up to no good and fiddling death rates or is Boris and the BBC changing them all.
Some additional ones
What is the purpose of Government and BBC colluding, what’s the big plan.

Briefly this time
There are many more people than SAGE involved in advising Government such as civil servants, professional bodies, trade bodies etc.
SAGE has a wide range of views and maybe could have a few more. Some of its advice has been wide of the mark.
Government has to balance SAGE and others and try to plot a way forward using what it has available at the time or define what else it needs.
If could and should have done better.
The BBC has made known Government and SAGE failings, I suggest it is left leaning. I’m sceptical of some of its output, but it generally provides balanced views from others rather than promote its own message.
To suggest they collude to deceive us with all the rest is nonsense. To suggest all Governments following similar paths and growing numbers are part of a big plan is crazy

So what’s the big plan, to shut us all down make the country broke so they can put in cycle lanes and China can take over the world?

What do you believe is really happening and what evidence have you got for it?

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Not really answering my question OC, I'll try again.

"do you seriously think you're getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from the government, the BBC and SAGE ?"

Still not answered it OC, it's a simple enough question, if you believe everything they tell you, the answer is YES, if you sometimes doubt what they're saying the answer is NO. It does seem to me that you accept everything the say without demur, but I could be wrong, please tell me if I am.

"Are suggesting every government is up to no good and fiddling death rates or is Boris and the BBC changing them all."

No, I'm sure the figures are as accurate as they can be, the descriptions they use are dubious though, the number of deaths 'with' Covid are routinely described as deaths 'from' Covid, which is a lie, many of them are not dying from Covid at all. As we have discussed, people testing positive are routinely described as Covid cases, ignoring the fact that many are false positives and people who are asymptomatic. There was a question in Parliament from Peter Bone a couple of weeks ago, asking if they knew the % rate of false positives, the answer was 'no, we don't'. So even on their own admission they don't know how many testing positive have the virus, but still they call them 'cases'. Why do they lie ?

"So what’s the big plan, to shut us all down make the country broke so they can put in cycle lanes and China can take over the world?
What do you believe is really happening and what evidence have you got for it?"

What is it with you and 59 and your straw men ? I'm not aware that I've ever mentioned a big plan, I know nothing of one. If you want to know what I think is really happening, have a look at Post 1031 on the Corona Virus thread.