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[swaledale]

Apologies. Site was playing up. I thought you were suggesting that AG was an example of ‘core Labour voter bigotry’. If I misunderstood I apologise.

As I remember, the late great Les Dawson - who came from much the same background - seemed to manage without recourse to racist rubbish.

I see Jim Davidson is on tour, with his show billed as him saying things you can't say nowadays! As for Manning, never found him funny but my personal view is that if these comedians wish to perform in public and make such jokes, then provided they aren't inciting violeence or other objectional behaviour I've not got an issue. On epays your money and takes your choice.

The fact that they can no longer appear on mainstream media however is correct, society has by and large moved on and despite the best efforts of the MAGA crowd and assorted other groups I don't see the majority of the population going back there.

[swaledale]

Disappointing response. This thread of discussion started with a post by you including off-the-mark opinions of myself, which I thought deserved a full response on all points. Maybe I should have just ignored you like GP did

Don’t turn into rA 2.0

Perhaps you would be wise to wind your neck in? The last time you made a comment about what a poster should or should not do, you ended up looking very foolish.

[swaledale]

I'm slowly becoming disgruntled at the childishness of some of the posts 1.0. My approach speed is gaining velocity rapidly.

Make a point, say why you think that way, provide sources, facts and leave the rest alone. If what you're posting is simply your opinion but you can't underpin it with verifiable fact, say so. That might (but I doubt it) stop all the to and fro posing seen in the last few pages of this thread.

Before anybody wastes time looking for examples I've posted that go against what I've just written, don't bother, I'm almost certainly guilty as charged. The point being I'm trying to avoid posting such crap and would greatly appreciate it is others followed suit.

I admire your optimism, though I'd have thought it fairly obvious when a post was purely an opinion, but unfortunately there seem to be some who confuse their opinion with reality, which is where the trouble starts.

[SithHappens]

I see Jim Davidson is on tour, with his show billed as him saying things you can't say nowadays! As for Manning, never found him funny but my personal view is that if these comedians wish to perform in public and make such jokes, then provided they aren't inciting violeence or other objectional behaviour I've not got an issue. On epays your money and takes your choice.

The fact that they can no longer appear on mainstream media however is correct, society has by and large moved on and despite the best efforts of the MAGA crowd and assorted other groups I don't see the majority of the population going back there.

I can't imagine finding Jim Davidson funny.

I do imagine most comedians are likely to be a bit un PC when live though, Jimmy Carr can be and I think he is very funny.

That said I love Tim Vine and have seen him live and there was no swearing or controversial topics, so funny doesn't need to shock.

[Andy_Faber]

Perhaps you would be wise to wind your neck in? The last time you made a comment about what a poster should or should not do, you ended up looking very foolish.

I note that your ?Good Germans? prediction came true, truer than even your most fervent hope. Your only error was the flag they are waving-red white black and green. How foolish must you feel

[Ram Pant]

Latest offering from the Aussie..


Alright. Deep breath. Because this is one of those moments where you either unload the truth or you let it rot inside you until it turns into ulcers.
So I’ve got a genuine question for the MAGA crowd, and don’t worry, I’ll go slow so everyone can keep up.
How many of you actually voted to invade Greenland?
Show of hands. Anyone? No? Weird.
How many of you voted to roll into Venezuela, kidnap their president, start flogging their oil, and quietly park the cash in a private bank account in Qatar like it’s some dodgy offshore gambling account? Anyone tick that box? No?
How about an international trade war that jacks up prices on everything you buy, food, TVs, cars, rent, the whole bloody lot. That one ring a bell? Is that what you thought you were signing up for?
Because here’s the thing. None of this was on the brochure. This wasn’t the promise. This wasn’t the sales pitch. You were sold cheap groceries, cheap fuel, strong borders, tough guy leadership and winning so much you’d get sick of it. Instead you got tariffs that function like a dumb tax on your own face, global instability, allies looking at America like it’s the bloke at the pub who’s had too many and won’t stop starting fights.
So what exactly do you say for yourselves now?
And no, I’m not done. Because this isn’t just on the loud idiots with the red hats. This one’s also on the lazy, disengaged geniuses who couldn’t be bothered getting off their arse to vote when it actually mattered. The ones who treated democracy like a Netflix show they might catch up on later. Congratulations. You helped roll the dice and now everyone’s paying for it.
And Democrats, don’t sit there polishing halos. You don’t get a free pass either. You had four years after January 6 to put a lid on this bloke. Four years. Instead you hemmed, hawed, slow-walked, hand-wrung, and let him wander back onto the field like a deranged bull that everyone pretended wasn’t still dangerous. That’s not prudence. That’s cowardice wrapped in procedure.
Now here we are.
Masked ICE agents roaming the streets like it’s a bad dystopian nightmare. The military being pointed inward. Allies openly questioning whether the United States can be trusted to not lose its **** every four years. The world watching America like, what the ****ing hell happened to you?
So here’s the part nobody seems to want to answer.
When this is finally over, whether it’s cholesterol, age, or the slow fade into irrelevance at a retirement home with cable news blaring in the background, what are you going to do to clean this Trump **** stain up?
How do you rebuild trust with allies who got stabbed in the back?
How do you close the loopholes that let this happen in the first place?
How do you stop the next billionaire malignant narcissist from hijacking the system again?
Because the reputation of the United States is in pieces. Not cracked. Not dented. Smashed. And the world isn’t angry anymore. It’s appalled. It’s exhausted. It’s done pretending this is normal.
So yeah. Laugh if you want. Deflect if you want. Blame everyone else if it makes you feel better.
But at some point, the grown-ups have to show up and ask the only question that actually matters now.
What the **** are you going to do to make sure this never happens again?

[SithHappens]

Latest offering from the Aussie..


Alright. Deep breath. Because this is one of those moments where you either unload the truth or you let it rot inside you until it turns into ulcers.
So I’ve got a genuine question for the MAGA crowd, and don’t worry, I’ll go slow so everyone can keep up.
How many of you actually voted to invade Greenland?
Show of hands. Anyone? No? Weird.
How many of you voted to roll into Venezuela, kidnap their president, start flogging their oil, and quietly park the cash in a private bank account in Qatar like it’s some dodgy offshore gambling account? Anyone tick that box? No?
How about an international trade war that jacks up prices on everything you buy, food, TVs, cars, rent, the whole bloody lot. That one ring a bell? Is that what you thought you were signing up for?
Because here’s the thing. None of this was on the brochure. This wasn’t the promise. This wasn’t the sales pitch. You were sold cheap groceries, cheap fuel, strong borders, tough guy leadership and winning so much you’d get sick of it. Instead you got tariffs that function like a dumb tax on your own face, global instability, allies looking at America like it’s the bloke at the pub who’s had too many and won’t stop starting fights.
So what exactly do you say for yourselves now?
And no, I’m not done. Because this isn’t just on the loud idiots with the red hats. This one’s also on the lazy, disengaged geniuses who couldn’t be bothered getting off their arse to vote when it actually mattered. The ones who treated democracy like a Netflix show they might catch up on later. Congratulations. You helped roll the dice and now everyone’s paying for it.
And Democrats, don’t sit there polishing halos. You don’t get a free pass either. You had four years after January 6 to put a lid on this bloke. Four years. Instead you hemmed, hawed, slow-walked, hand-wrung, and let him wander back onto the field like a deranged bull that everyone pretended wasn’t still dangerous. That’s not prudence. That’s cowardice wrapped in procedure.
Now here we are.
Masked ICE agents roaming the streets like it’s a bad dystopian nightmare. The military being pointed inward. Allies openly questioning whether the United States can be trusted to not lose its **** every four years. The world watching America like, what the ****ing hell happened to you?
So here’s the part nobody seems to want to answer.
When this is finally over, whether it’s cholesterol, age, or the slow fade into irrelevance at a retirement home with cable news blaring in the background, what are you going to do to clean this Trump **** stain up?
How do you rebuild trust with allies who got stabbed in the back?
How do you close the loopholes that let this happen in the first place?
How do you stop the next billionaire malignant narcissist from hijacking the system again?
Because the reputation of the United States is in pieces. Not cracked. Not dented. Smashed. And the world isn’t angry anymore. It’s appalled. It’s exhausted. It’s done pretending this is normal.
So yeah. Laugh if you want. Deflect if you want. Blame everyone else if it makes you feel better.
But at some point, the grown-ups have to show up and ask the only question that actually matters now.
What the **** are you going to do to make sure this never happens again?

I saw a poll saying 75% of Americans were against the invasion of Greenland. That still leaves 25% who aren't against it, incredible really, id be horrified to think a quarter of brits were open to invading an innocent supposed ally.

[ramAnag]

I saw a poll saying 75% of Americans were against the invasion of Greenland. That still leaves 25% who aren't against it, incredible really, id be horrified to think a quarter of brits were open to invading an innocent supposed ally.

You’re possibly being too nice again, Sith. We probably don’t have the firepower to invade another country, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 20-25% of Brits supported sinking the boats and setting hotels full of asylum seekers on fire, which is an equally horrible thing to have to acknowledge.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Apologies. Site was playing up. I thought you were suggesting that AG was an example of ?core Labour voter bigotry?. If I misunderstood I apologise.

As I remember, the late great Les Dawson - who came from much the same background - seemed to manage without recourse to racist rubbish.

Accepted

dawson: Except when he was playing the piano he wouldnt use the black keys hence his rather chaotic rendition of tunes. Or so Ive been told.

[Geoff Parkstone]

You’re possibly being too nice again, Sith. We probably don’t have the firepower to invade another country, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 20-25% of Brits supported sinking the boats and setting hotels full of asylum seekers on fire, which is an equally horrible thing to have to acknowledge.

Based on this little microcosm, Id say 2-3 favoured sinking boats out of 10, so those numbers seem about right. Hotel burning is maybe less well supported here - accomodation is always in short supply