O/T Disgrace Cummings

[crashbang]

And nothing in the article attempts to disprove him, which of course they would have looked into to try and do so.

So, as so often with the Sun, Mail and Mirror, they are leading with a story that he broke lockdown by driving long distance but burying in there that he didn't so they can cover themselves. But of course the headline and lead story enables them to peddle an untruth to their readers, manipulating them to spread a false news story.

Which news should I believe then?

[ragingpup]

Which news should I believe then?

The Times on the centre right and the Observer/Guardian on the centre left generally have good fact check records, as do the Independent and i and Telegraph. The worst in terms of deliberately presenting misinformation as facts are the Mail, Express and Sun who do very badly by pretty much any fact check report.

One of the things that get confused is the difference between political bias that a newspaper editorial takes, and the actual record of presenting facts/non facts as truth to inform or mislead their readers. It might be debatable to some, but I know that the Times or Telegraph will aim to pursuade me to take their editorial stance on certain issues/political sides (and the Observer/Guardian from a more lefty perspective) but they generally (but not always) present factual information as they do so. Whereas the Mail/Sun/Express deliberately and regularly present misinformation as fact in an attempt to persuade them to agree with their owner's world view. I personally have no problem with reading the right wing broadsheets as they generally do not attempt to deceive me and I can agree/disagree with their political stance. This is in contrast to someone like Grist who I think discredits The Guardian as unreliable simply because he disagrees with their political stance. I think there is a big difference between a news source's political bias (which is acceptable) and their attempt to lie to their readers (which is not).

This is not to say that these less reputable, more devious sources don't sometimes have very valid arguments. I wouldn't 'do a Kerr' on this by refusing to engage with an argument presented by a news source, just because of who they are. The Mail will sometimes be well presented and correct in both facts and political argument. The difference is that they are, as an organisation, willing to deliberately and strategically lie to its readers in order to further it's owners political agenda. That for me is the difference.

So, in answer to your questions, choose broadsheets and avoid the Sun/Mail/Mirror/Express. Unless of course you just want them to confirm your current world view with whatever distorted evidence they can find for you on a daily basis. Or maybe go the whole hog and just bookmark Brexit Central and Guido Fawkes

[rolymiller]

Just believe the truth (hopefully) ie what came out of cummings own mouth.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eyesight-video

Click on the video

[Exiletyke]

Just believe the truth (hopefully) ie what came out of cummings own mouth.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eyesight-video

Click on the video

roly you surely can't believe he drove up to 60 miles to test his eyesight ffs
I think you should revisit your assertion don't you think?

[rolymiller]

No i don't believe that. I think that that claim is incriminating enough Exile. Who in their right mind would do that? Not only that I would think that would be a criminal offence anyway. Are you not supposed to drive if you can't see a registration plate 25ms away? You can do that without even getting into a chuffin car...

[crashbang]

Which news should I believe then?

Bump

[animallittle3]

Bump

If you basically ignore everything Johnson says and treat it as untruthful or spin then the rest is pretty easy to work out yourself .

[crashbang]

How the bitter minds work.

[crashbang]

If you basically ignore everything Johnson says and treat it as untruthful or spin then the rest is pretty easy to work out yourself .

Pity you didn't think the same of your club owners at the time. With their club interests at heart.

[great_fire]

Clearly Dominic Cummings in his car or sitting on a bench with his wife was far more dangerous and infectious than the thousands of people crowded together in Hyde Park and outside Downing Street today.