Official Nelmsy Campus Countdown

[islaydarkblue]

Yup without a doubt...not just his lack of communication, out of touch pricing ie season tickets and PATG when it was an option and his total disregard for the ordinary Dee fan over the years, whom many forked out for hospo club events, etc etc.

Another one that got to me was letting his stadium manager treat home fans like she ite and let away fans away with all sorts of shenanigans over his term in charge.

I agree with everything you say.
I can also add that the stadium manager kicked the visibly impaired Dundee supporters out of the area they had stood in for a number of years at the start of the 2022-23 season citing that the area below the Main Stand was a Red Covid zone. However a couple weeks later it was OK for the BBC Scotland pundits to stand in same area in the Red Covid zone when a Dundee v Arbroath game was being televised live on the BBC Scotland channel.
In my opinion Jim Thomson needs to explain why the area below the Main Stand was a Red Covid zone for the visually impaired Dundee FC supporters but not for the BBC Scotland pundits.
I have heard that Jim Thomson is back as the General manager of Dundee Football Club. Is this correct or not.

[islaydarkblue]

John nelms " dosent have to explain " is exactly why there has never been a connection between the yanks and the main body of the Kirk.

Unfortunately I think he's cost us plenty of regular fans over the last decade.....

John Nelms has managed to split two groups of Dundee supporters by adopting his divide and rule tactics.
Nelms will only speak to people who do his bidding and he will not speak to the Dee4life board of directors as they are prepared to asking searching questions on behalf of their members and the wider Dundee FC supporters.

[islaydarkblue]

Dee4life held a members only online meeting on Monday 18th March 2024.
During the meeting the subject of the new stadium planning application was discussed.
A Dee4life member who had experience of submitting planning applications in the building trade stated that the Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited Planning Permission in Principle application for their new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields would not likely be heard by the Dundee City Council (DCC) planning committee until December 2024.
The August 2024 date was only an indicative date for the DCC planning committee to discuss.
John Nelms should have been told this by his lead group of architects but as usual the Dundee supporters were told nothing by Nelms.

[Returnofrros]

Yup without a doubt...not just his lack of communication, out of touch pricing ie season tickets and PATG when it was an option and his total disregard for the ordinary Dee fan over the years, whom many forked out for hospo club events, etc etc.

Another one that got to me was letting his stadium manager treat home fans like she ite and let away fans away with all sorts of shenanigans over his term in charge.

I think most who still go to Dens do so inspite of John Nelms or at best are non plussed by him.....I don't think he has many enthusiastic supporters among our support......you have to ask the question why is it?

It always strikes me that they run the club for their plans or ambitions.....if that happens to coincide with the fans all good but if it dosent ...so be it.

This is a guy who employs a stadium manager who generally dislikes our support and has at best badly concealed contempt for those that don't sit in the posh seats.

I kinda get the feeling if the stadium comes off the club and in particular the fans will be looked upon as tennants and be treated as tennants.

I also get frustrated that many outside commentators and fans who don't go or rarely go continually harp on aboot it being a game changer......game changer for what I'm not sure......they never seem to specify.

To build a club you have to build a connection, you have to make supporters feel part of the club, wanted, welcome, the reason for their being a club..........some of the best at doing that over the years......( And they all had faults ), Marr, leishman, fleeting, fitz****face, Mercer, Ferguson, Lambie, the Deefiant group..and plenty others.....Nelms no so much.

I still go every fortnight and half a dozen away games a season but it's like I'm looking on rather than in amongst it these days.

[islaydarkblue]

I think most who still go to Dens do so inspite of John Nelms or at best are non plussed by him.....I don't think he has many enthusiastic supporters among our support......you have to ask the question why is it?

It always strikes me that they run the club for their plans or ambitions.....if that happens to coincide with the fans all good but if it dosent ...so be it.

This is a guy who employs a stadium manager who generally dislikes our support and has at best badly concealed contempt for those that don't sit in the posh seats.

I kinda get the feeling if the stadium comes off the club and in particular the fans will be looked upon as tennants and be treated as tennants.

I also get frustrated that many outside commentators and fans who don't go or rarely go continually harp on aboot it being a game changer......game changer for what I'm not sure......they never seem to specify.

To build a club you have to build a connection, you have to make supporters feel part of the club, wanted, welcome, the reason for their being a club..........some of the best at doing that over the years......( And they all had faults ), Marr, leishman, fleeting, fitz****face, Mercer, Ferguson, Lambie, the Deefiant group..and plenty others.....Nelms no so much.

I still go every fortnight and half a dozen away games a season but it's like I'm looking on rather than in amongst it these days.

I fail to understand why the management of Dundee Football Club have scrapped PATG. It gives me the impression that John Nelms is only interested in season ticket holders because they hand over their money before the start of every season and he has no interest in making it as easy as possible for non season ticket holders to attend home games at Dens Park.
The home stands are less than half full. At the Aberdeen home game on Saturday 28th September 2024 which was the first home game we had played for 4 weeks there were almost as many Aberdeen supporters in Dens Park as Dundee supporters.
John Nelms sitting the front row of the Directors Box should notice the decreasing number of people sitting in the Bobby Cox Stand at home games and as managing director of Dundee Football Club he should be asking all the supporters why this is happening.
Hospitality in my opinion is too expensive for the average supporter.
Nelms should be thinking up ways of increasing the number of people sitting in the home stands at Dens Park.
He should reinstate PATG in the Main Stand and Bobby Cox Stand with immediate effect.

[Deeranged]

I fail to understand why the management of Dundee Football Club have scrapped PATG. It gives me the impression that John Nelms is only interested in season ticket holders because they hand over their money before the start of every season and he has no interest in making it as easy as possible for non season ticket holders to attend home games at Dens Park.
The home stands are less than half full. At the Aberdeen home game on Saturday 28th September 2024 which was the first home game we had played for 4 weeks there were almost as many Aberdeen supporters in Dens Park as Dundee supporters.
John Nelms sitting the front row of the Directors Box should notice the decreasing number of people sitting in the Bobby Cox Stand at home games and as managing director of Dundee Football Club he should be asking all the supporters why this is happening.
Hospitality in my opinion is too expensive for the average supporter.
Nelms should be thinking up ways of increasing the number of people sitting in the home stands at Dens Park.
He should reinstate PATG in the Main Stand and Bobby Cox Stand with immediate effect.

I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan but you're way off with some of your thoughts. Most people will have the app or pay in advance online and receive electronic tickets by email making it very easy to attend home games. Whether you like it or not that's the way things are going not only at Dens Park but at most sports and entertainment venues. The option to pay on the day is still there, people just need to plan a bit better and go to the ticket office for one, but most will buy in advance now. Society has changed and people aren't leaving things to the last minute any more when it's so easy to do things like get tickets for a match a week in advance without having to get out of their chairs.

PATG is gone, accept it and move on.

One thing that bugs me is the continued insistence by the club on sending out Christmas draw ticket to all season ticket holders (possibly to others too) by mail. I think it's ?1.55 now for a second class letter up to 100g so if they send out 3,500 of these it's stinging them for nearly ?5,500. I personally don't even open mine, I know the size and shape of the letter and when it comes I put it straight into the bin with the other junk mail. I wonder how many actually get bought? Regardless though, they're ?5,500 down before they start - just plain bonkers.

[Dode craigie]

I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan but you're way off with some of your thoughts. Most people will have the app or pay in advance online and receive electronic tickets by email making it very easy to attend home games. Whether you like it or not that's the way things are going not only at Dens Park but at most sports and entertainment venues. The option to pay on the day is still there, people just need to plan a bit better and go to the ticket office for one, but most will buy in advance now. Society has changed and people aren't leaving things to the last minute any more when it's so easy to do things like get tickets for a match a week in advance without having to get out of their chairs.

PATG is gone, accept it and move on.

One thing that bugs me is the continued insistence by the club on sending out Christmas draw ticket to all season ticket holders (possibly to others too) by mail. I think it's ?1.55 now for a second class letter up to 100g so if they send out 3,500 of these it's stinging them for nearly ?5,500. I personally don't even open mine, I know the size and shape of the letter and when it comes I put it straight into the bin with the other junk mail. I wonder how many actually get bought? Regardless though, they're ?5,500 down before they start - just plain bonkers.

Agree about the raffle tickets , I always feel guilty about never selling any as like you they go in the bin , they must still sell enough to cover costs though or surely they wouldn’t do it , I can’t see why they feel the need to send them , then why not hand them out to fans as you go into the ground on match days mid November , then fans who want to sell them can do so

[islaydarkblue]

I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan but you're way off with some of your thoughts. Most people will have the app or pay in advance online and receive electronic tickets by email making it very easy to attend home games. Whether you like it or not that's the way things are going not only at Dens Park but at most sports and entertainment venues. The option to pay on the day is still there, people just need to plan a bit better and go to the ticket office for one, but most will buy in advance now. Society has changed and people aren't leaving things to the last minute any more when it's so easy to do things like get tickets for a match a week in advance without having to get out of their chairs.

PATG is gone, accept it and move on.

One thing that bugs me is the continued insistence by the club on sending out Christmas draw ticket to all season ticket holders (possibly to others too) by mail. I think it's ?1.55 now for a second class letter up to 100g so if they send out 3,500 of these it's stinging them for nearly ?5,500. I personally don't even open mine, I know the size and shape of the letter and when it comes I put it straight into the bin with the other junk mail. I wonder how many actually get bought? Regardless though, they're ?5,500 down before they start - just plain bonkers.

I disagree regarding PATG.
Attendances are falling season on season at Dens Park as more and more decide to stop going to football matches.
Numerous people have posted on various forums that they are non season ticket holders and want the PATG option reinstated.
I raised the matter at a Dee4life board of directors meeting at the beginning of November 2022.
The Dee4life secretary who was a season ticket holder admitted at the next board of directors meeting in December 2022 that he did not understand why I wanted pay at the gate turnstiles reinstated in the Main Stand and Bobby Cox Stand until he arrived at the ticket office before the start of the Dundee v Airdrie Scottish Cup tie played on the last Saturday in November 2022.
The Dee4life secretary had to stand in a long queue to purchase his ticket for the game because season tickets are not valid for cup ties and he nearly missed the start of the game.
If pay at the gate turnstiles had been in operation he would have had no trouble gaining admission to Dens Park.
I have no problems going to the ticket office during the week before a game to purchase my ticket but not everyone has that luxury.
Closing the ticket office on a Saturday morning when there is no home game makes it more inconvenient for Dundee supporters who are non season ticket holders and work from Monday to Friday to purchase a ticket for a Dundee FC home game.
It will encourage them to purchase a fire stick allowing them to watch home games in comfort of their own home with a subsequent loss of income to Dundee Football Club.

[islaydarkblue]

I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan but you're way off with some of your thoughts. Most people will have the app or pay in advance online and receive electronic tickets by email making it very easy to attend home games. Whether you like it or not that's the way things are going not only at Dens Park but at most sports and entertainment venues. The option to pay on the day is still there, people just need to plan a bit better and go to the ticket office for one, but most will buy in advance now. Society has changed and people aren't leaving things to the last minute any more when it's so easy to do things like get tickets for a match a week in advance without having to get out of their chairs.

PATG is gone, accept it and move on.

One thing that bugs me is the continued insistence by the club on sending out Christmas draw ticket to all season ticket holders (possibly to others too) by mail. I think it's ?1.55 now for a second class letter up to 100g so if they send out 3,500 of these it's stinging them for nearly ?5,500. I personally don't even open mine, I know the size and shape of the letter and when it comes I put it straight into the bin with the other junk mail. I wonder how many actually get bought? Regardless though, they're ?5,500 down before they start - just plain bonkers.

I agree. Raffle tickets seem to be a thing of the past.

[BCram]

I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan but you're way off with some of your thoughts. Most people will have the app or pay in advance online and receive electronic tickets by email making it very easy to attend home games. Whether you like it or not that's the way things are going not only at Dens Park but at most sports and entertainment venues. The option to pay on the day is still there, people just need to plan a bit better and go to the ticket office for one, but most will buy in advance now. Society has changed and people aren't leaving things to the last minute any more when it's so easy to do things like get tickets for a match a week in advance without having to get out of their chairs.

PATG is gone, accept it and move on.

One thing that bugs me is the continued insistence by the club on sending out Christmas draw ticket to all season ticket holders (possibly to others too) by mail. I think it's ?1.55 now for a second class letter up to 100g so if they send out 3,500 of these it's stinging them for nearly ?5,500. I personally don't even open mine, I know the size and shape of the letter and when it comes I put it straight into the bin with the other junk mail. I wonder how many actually get bought? Regardless though, they're ?5,500 down before they start - just plain bonkers.

I agree PATG is gone. Club needs to put more effort into trying to get lapsed fans to come along for each game. There must be 1/2 ST sales that might be attractive just now, and later on 2 or 3 match deals that could be put together.

We used to have a publican who posted regularly on here a while ago, Derry Drummer, I think was his user name.

Maybe the local pubs could do with some help in selling pre match and post match pints to fans? If you have a ticket for the , and it should be easy to demonstrate that with the digital tickets, get something as a reward.

Our club has to be seen to be trying harder to get fans to attend.

Performances on the pitch are crucial but I think more fans might help the team to perform at a higher level.