Careless Tories!

[ramAnag]

Hmmm...again. Robert Peel ceased to be PM about 177 years ago. Boris Johnson ceased to be PM about eleven months ago and resigned as an MP just days ago while still trying (maybe) to reinvent himself as Mayor of London. Apart from trying to be a bit of a smart arse I can’t really see your point.

[SithHappens]

I think the point is what's done is done, and to some degree I agree but someone who was PM and won the last GE is very relevant at this stage, the definition of careless belongs to Boris, having won such a huge majority he should really have been comfortable in no 10 for 10 years.

It's stupidly careless he's lost his job , and most likely his parties majority in such a short period of time.

I know he had the covid pandemic but genuinely feel that they could have ridden out the mistakes made during the pandemic, to effectively lose everything over a few lousy get together is beyond careless.

[ramAnag]

I think the point is what's done is done, and to some degree I agree but someone who was PM and won the last GE is very relevant at this stage, the definition of careless belongs to Boris, having won such a huge majority he should really have been comfortable in no 10 for 10 years.

It's stupidly careless he's lost his job , and most likely his parties majority in such a short period of time.

I know he had the covid pandemic but genuinely feel that they could have ridden out the mistakes made during the pandemic, to effectively lose everything over a few lousy get together is beyond careless.

With respect Sith, and I do mean that, I wish it was a case of ‘what’s done is done’, but the issue for me, and I think many others, now is...how is it possible for someone who has lied so often and displayed such levels of incompetence and disingenuousness to be being spoken of in connection with further high office within days of his latest disgrace.

[swaledale]

I think the point is what's done is done, and to some degree I agree but someone who was PM and won the last GE is very relevant at this stage, the definition of careless belongs to Boris, having won such a huge majority he should really have been comfortable in no 10 for 10 years.

It's stupidly careless he's lost his job , and most likely his parties majority in such a short period of time.

I know he had the covid pandemic but genuinely feel that they could have ridden out the mistakes made during the pandemic, to effectively lose everything over a few lousy get together is beyond careless.

It wasn't the get togethers, it was his lying about the lies he told that got him and given he has past history and lost two previous jobs because of lies, its hardly surprising! I mean he was removed as PM because he refused to deal with an Minister who had allegations of ***ual assault made against him.

Partygate is the tip of the iceberg, his oven ready Brexit deal was nothing of the sort, it has had to be negotiated. he promised that there would be no sea border with Northern Ireland then promptly agreed one, he failed to reach an agreement with to continue the return to safe country for migrants that don't qualify to stay here and hence we have the issue with small boats. he promised a trade deal with the US, it ain't happening, he promised to build 40 new hospitals, of which about 5 are actually new the rest are refurbs and most won't happen anyway.

Basically Johnson isn't careless and he isn't stupid, he just believes that normal rules and conventions shouldn't apply to him, given we have a political system which requires MP's and especially leaders to respect the rules, tell the truth (or at least a version of it) in parliament and to be honourable when he or his minsters are found to have broken the rules, then he had to go.

It was always going to end this way, he gets by on lies, bull****, waffle and charm but that ultimately doesn't work when your PM, no matter how much your party pretends your best thing since sliced bread.

He is a poor mans Trump, not quite as clever as he thinks he is and basically as trustworthy as a baboon!

[Geoff Parkstone]

How very baboonist

[MadAmster]

Johnson...

Made stuff up (lied) in his newspaper column. Sacked.
Told the PM he wasn't having an affair when he was (lied). Sacked
Partygate. He lied about the parties and then lied about the lies. Sacked.
Proroguing of Parliament. He lied to the Queen.
No NI sea border. He lied.
Oven ready deal. Never existed. He lied.
US Trade deal. Not happening. He lied.
40 "new" hospitals. He lied.
PMQs. Reacted to questions quoting "stats" that were either made up or altered. He lied.
Marriage. His current one excepted, for now, every marriage of his has ended because he broke his marriage vows and impregnated women other than his wife. He lied.

The "man" is not fit for public office.

His new "job" with the Daily Fail. How long until his first lie in a column?

[swaledale]

How very baboonist

Or indeed apist?

[swaledale]

Johnson...

Made stuff up (lied) in his newspaper column. Sacked.
Told the PM he wasn't having an affair when he was (lied). Sacked
Partygate. He lied about the parties and then lied about the lies. Sacked.
Proroguing of Parliament. He lied to the Queen.
No NI sea border. He lied.
Oven ready deal. Never existed. He lied.
US Trade deal. Not happening. He lied.
40 "new" hospitals. He lied.
PMQs. Reacted to questions quoting "stats" that were either made up or altered. He lied.
Marriage. His current one excepted, for now, every marriage of his has ended because he broke his marriage vows and impregnated women other than his wife. He lied.

The "man" is not fit for public office.

His new "job" with the Daily Fail. How long until his first lie in a column?

Its already there, most of what he rights is utter waffle. It was he who invented the idea that the EU were measuring the curve of bananas, just so his thick Tory readers of the Torygraph were amused.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well blow me down.

First we have Johnson getting full flak for his honours lists and Starmer in favour of scrapping the Lords.
Now flip flop, wants to stuff it with Labour peers, for when he's in office.
You really couldn't make it up.
Broken beyond broke politics in this country. Thailand looks more inviting by the day.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...house-of-lords

[swaledale]

Well blow me down.

First we have Johnson getting full flak for his honours lists and Starmer in favour of scrapping the Lords.
Now flip flop, wants to stuff it with Labour peers, for when he's in office.
You really couldn't make it up.
Broken beyond broke politics in this country. Thailand looks more inviting by the day.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...house-of-lords

But the guy does have to work with the system he inherits! I mean even if he does want to scrap the Lords or at least reform it, that will take years and lets face it there are more important issues that will require full attention.

So until that happens, he has to play the political system as it stands and every government of whatever political persuasion has ennobled more sympathetic peers into the HOL when taking power.

So what we are seeing here is simply sound political strategy, to avoid a Tory majority HOL being able to delay or frustrate legislation that he wants to pass.

But you reckon a military dictatorship is preferable? Mm guess you have never experienced being a citizen of a country under martial law then.