Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Labour will win the next GE with a vastly reduced majority.

Thanks Sithtradamus.
You may be right, but that GE is maybe three and a half years away.
Just remember that about the same length of time ago a certain Boris Johnson was still PM with a huge Tory majority.
The political world is a very volatile place. God only knows what the next three years might bring.

[Andy_Faber]

The "Good Germans" in this case .

Thanks but your response, crystalised by the above extract, strengthens my point - you are using it to coralle together anyone who doesn’t stand up for your series of personal beliefs/causes - as such, I might have a completely different set of beliefs/causes, so might everyone here, it’s purely subjective. Maybe it’s a subset of your ‘idiots’, maybe not. In the present day it can only apply directly, as opposed to by analogy, to the rising turning of deaf ears to antisemitic rhetoric. NB I know no Jews, its a general point

[Andy_Faber]

Thanks Sithtradamus.
You may be right, but that GE is maybe three and a half years away.
Just remember that about the same length of time ago a certain Boris Johnson was still PM with a huge Tory majority.
The political world is a very volatile place. God only knows what the next three years might bring.

You may recall early 2024 I said the conservative administration had the seedy feel to it of the pre-97 Major admin, I am amazed that the current HMG are being dragged into the same sleazepit, albeit up to their knees not their necks. They almost need a ?bring out your dead? period to reach a nadir, if any further dirt (of any sort) leaks out slowly, they are toast - just IMO

[SithHappens]

Interesting Reform treasurer Nick Candy appears to have remained in contact with Epstein post conviction but Reform seem to be getting another bye in this one.

[ramAnag]

You may recall early 2024 I said the conservative administration had the seedy feel to it of the pre-97 Major admin, I am amazed that the current HMG are being dragged into the same sleazepit, albeit up to their knees not their necks. They almost need a ?bring out your dead? period to reach a nadir, if any further dirt (of any sort) leaks out slowly, they are toast - just IMO

Take your point and I agree Labour - and Starmer in particular - can ill afford any more sleaze/dirt to emerge.
I also think though that a crucial difference is that the sleaze surrounding the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Cummings, Williamson and Zahawi etc was first hand and, at the time, current.
Where Starmer is concerned he has done nothing wrong, other than make a naive error of judgement. In itself that is concerning - no escaping that - but the wrongdoing has been on the part of Mandelson and is, largely, historical.

[SithHappens]

Little said about Farages support for Mandelsons appointment at the time though.

[Trickytreesreds]

Your wasting your effort RA, I reached the conclusion long ago that TTR is incapable of original thought or intelligent analysis. Which is why I have him on ignore. I mean his second sentence above doesn't make sense for a start.

For me, any person who votes for Reform, or considers Farage to be a viable Prime Minister, is either incapable of critical reasoning or has lost the ability to do so.

If one just looks at who is funding Reform, crypto shysters, fossil fuel companies, hedge funders and the like, then the first question that needs to be asked is why?

If one looks at Farage, apart from his any contradictory statements, his praise of Truss's budget, his approval at the time of Mandelson's appointment as US Ambassador, his numerous side jobs earning him £1 million a year in addition to his role as an MP, which all the evidence suggests he isn't fulfilling, hardly spending time in Clacton or indeed the House of Commons then even a half sentient person would perhaps think mm, is this guy a serious politician and is he interested in the life of the average voter.

Anyway, there is 3 years before a GE and a lot can happen in that time and whilst Labour might not be popular, only a fool would think a large proportion of the voting public will vote for Reform.

Not the ignore crap again 🤣

But the pols keep lying to you then? You said they would do nothing and vanish.
You was wrong, AGAIN

No RA they will not win the next election. They won?t win another one for a generation after what this lot have done

[ramAnag]

Not the ignore crap again ��

But the pols keep lying to you then? You said they would do nothing and vanish.
You was wrong, AGAIN

No RA they will not win the next election. They won?t win another one for a generation after what this lot have done

It wasn’t me who said they would. I don’t know and merely pointed out that three and a half years is a very long time in politics.

I know I’m wasting my time but look at it this way. Approaching a decade ago you lot won the narrowest of victories in the Brexit referendum but did little in the 2019 GE when Farage didn’t even stand - having missed out on seven consecutive occasions - and Johnson humbled Corbyn’s Labour by winning a very comfortable and large majority.
Johnson lasted as PM for less than three years before resigning in disgrace paving the way for Labour to win with an enormous majority less than two years after Johnson’s departure at which point Farage became an MP for the first time, at the eighth attempt.

Given those facts I find it very difficult to predict what may or may not happen in another three years or so. The Mandelson situation represents a very serious error of judgement. Beyond that I’m not sure what it is about Starmer’s behaviour you find so unforgivable.

[Ram Pant]

Fartage. Hardly ever in the Commons. Almost never in Clacton. Was hardly ever in the Parliament in Brussels. Sat on a committee there and, IIRC, attended either 1 or 2 committee meetings in all the years he was there.

If his attendance record in his constituency remains at the current level, he's not going to get re-elected. If vox poppers keep going to Clacton and explain all the things he voted against that were to the betterment of womoen, girls and the working class, then he's not going to keep his seat so won't be PM.

[SithHappens]

Has there ever been an instance of a party winning a GE but their leader losing their seat?