Careless Tories!

[Trickytreesreds]

But the guy does have to work with the system he inherits! I mean even if he does want to scrap the Lords or at least reform it, that will take years and lets face it there are more important issues that will require full attention.

So until that happens, he has to play the political system as it stands and every government of whatever political persuasion has ennobled more sympathetic peers into the HOL when taking power.

So what we are seeing here is simply sound political strategy, to avoid a Tory majority HOL being able to delay or frustrate legislation that he wants to pass.

But you reckon a military dictatorship is preferable? Mm guess you have never experienced being a citizen of a country under martial law then.

Yes I get that. But why not say it then?
I am going to scrap the HOL, or massively shrink it when I get in. In the mean time, more over paid piers will have to go in there, so that I can bypass all your sillyness.

Flip flop knows, that most of the general public, despise the HOL or want it stripped of all the goons in there.
They range from nominations of back hand donations from mates, to political gaslighting, like Steven Lawrences mother.
They don't seem to care what the HOL's function is supposed to be.

As for the Thailand politics.
You don't see it. It isn't in your face 24/7 and believe me, when I return from there, it is refreshing to have been completely brain wiped from all the bull**** we get here.
I don't hear Thais moaning either like we do.

Living there a lot more frequently is certainly at the front of my mind. Take a visit and indulge in thai everyday life. Its good for the soul.

[swaledale]

Yes I get that. But why not say it then?
I am going to scrap the HOL, or massively shrink it when I get in. In the mean time, more over paid piers will have to go in there, so that I can bypass all your sillyness.

Flip flop knows, that most of the general public, despise the HOL or want it stripped of all the goons in there.
They range from nominations of back hand donations from mates, to political gaslighting, like Steven Lawrences mother.
They don't seem to care what the HOL's function is supposed to be.

As for the Thailand politics.
You don't see it. It isn't in your face 24/7 and believe me, when I return from there, it is refreshing to have been completely brain wiped from all the bull**** we get here.
I don't hear Thais moaning either like we do.

Living there a lot more frequently is certainly at the front of my mind. Take a visit and indulge in thai everyday life. Its good for the soul.

Tricky, you know very well why he hasn't explicitly said it, politics is as much about what isn't said as what is. Al thats being reported here, is the strategy thats required for a Labour government to be able to make progress and pass legislation.

There's a reason why politics isn't in ones face 24/7 in Thailand, the media organisations are heavily controlled, criticism of the government is actively discouraged and enforced by heavy physical measures, jail or worse. There is also massive corruption, which occasionally result sin massive violent protests, which then generally results in the army taking control to "maintain stability"!


Having worked, lived and travelled in a number of countries where democracy is notable by its absence, generally as a foreign resident, visitor or traveller as long as one doesn't say or do something against the regime in charge there is no issue, but then I believe Nazi Germany was a very efficiently run country until the war mongering got out of hand!

The vast majority of the population are to busy trying to earn a living and there is often a fatalist acceptance of the situation philosophy in such countries. I spent a considerable time in India in the 80's and was always struck how despite the dire living circumstances and extreme poverty, how generally cheerful the people were.

Thailand's a beautiful country, its people on the whole charming and welcoming, but given the chance many would rather be living in europe.

[ramAnag]

More ‘carelessness’ on behalf of this wretched Tory Government over the deportation policy to Rwanda it appears. Seems Braverman might have been a little ‘careless’ over disclosing her links with Rwanda too. Where will it all end?

[Trickytreesreds]

So now we have an appeal on the appeal.

One step closer to ditching the ECHR.
A government decides who comes to this country for asylum or whatever. Not criminal gangs.
Declare that nation emergency of border control now. Break the model and sort yourselves out. It isn't rocket science.

Meanwhile, Iraq reveals that ISIS groups already in the UK have been plotting a major attack with the right target.
Still they come in, under the guise of desperate people. They even said they were going to do it.

EUROPOL have admitted it is “indisputable” that Islamic State (ISIS) fighters have entered Europe posing as war-ravaged refugees and they WILL target Britain.

[SithHappens]

The policy of sending people to Rwanda is still likely to be a vote winner sadly.

[ramAnag]

The policy of sending people to Rwanda is still likely to be a vote winner sadly.

You may be right, but what a sad indictment of selfish modern society that would be.

[swaledale]

The policy of sending people to Rwanda is still likely to be a vote winner sadly.

Not so much. The majority would rather see the government actually manage the issue properly rather than try and make political capital out of it, but then again they are desperate.

There is zero chance of the UK leaving the ECHR, it wouldn't resolve the issue and would damage the UK internationally.
The numbers arriving by boats are a tiny percentage of those that other countries like Italy, Greece etc deal with and actually less than used to arrive by ferry etc, before Brexit.
The government failed to negotiate the return policy for asylum seekers who could claim in another country that existed before Brexit, hence they cannot send those back.
The Rwanda deal is for 250, though in reality its an expensive (using tax payers money) diversion intended to hide the fact that as with most other things such as Brexit and the economy the Tories have ****ed up royally.

It could all be resolved quite simply.

Set up legal routes for asylum seekers
Set up as offered by the French a processing centre in France and process claims there.
Actually process the claims of those in the country , faster, then we wouldn't have them hanging around for months even years with often no detailed checks made. The those that don't qualify can be deported, there is no issue with that as long a sits done legally, but unfortunately this government is either incompetent, or deliberately takes action which is illegal to stoke up sentiments like our friend Tricky on here.

Most of the genuine asylum seekers are intelligent people who we could put to work very quickly and as has been evidenced in the past will make a positive contribution to society and the UK.

So process quickly, remove the non qualifiers back to the EU, deport those whose claims are bogus, get those who qualify settled and into work.

Above all don't swallow the alarmist, hyperbole about there being terrorists amongst them. I'm sure there are any number of different people, just as there are in the population resident in the Uk at the moment, including those that bleat loudest about this issue. This is just right wing media feeding the paranoia of those who are naturally inclined to think "foreigners" pose more of a threat then Uk citizens, despite all the evidence showing this not to be the case.

If we processed claims quickly and efficiently there would be control over the process in accordance with international law, then we would have a better handle on such matters.

[Trickytreesreds]

Not so much. The majority would rather see the government actually manage the issue properly rather than try and make political capital out of it, but then again they are desperate.

There is zero chance of the UK leaving the ECHR, it wouldn't resolve the issue and would damage the UK internationally.
The numbers arriving by boats are a tiny percentage of those that other countries like Italy, Greece etc deal with and actually less than used to arrive by ferry etc, before Brexit.
The government failed to negotiate the return policy for asylum seekers who could claim in another country that existed before Brexit, hence they cannot send those back.
The Rwanda deal is for 250, though in reality its an expensive (using tax payers money) diversion intended to hide the fact that as with most other things such as Brexit and the economy the Tories have ****ed up royally.

It could all be resolved quite simply.

Set up legal routes for asylum seekers
Set up as offered by the French a processing centre in France and process claims there.
Actually process the claims of those in the country , faster, then we wouldn't have them hanging around for months even years with often no detailed checks made. The those that don't qualify can be deported, there is no issue with that as long a sits done legally, but unfortunately this government is either incompetent, or deliberately takes action which is illegal to stoke up sentiments like our friend Tricky on here.

Most of the genuine asylum seekers are intelligent people who we could put to work very quickly and as has been evidenced in the past will make a positive contribution to society and the UK.

So process quickly, remove the non qualifiers back to the EU, deport those whose claims are bogus, get those who qualify settled and into work.

Above all don't swallow the alarmist, hyperbole about there being terrorists amongst them. I'm sure there are any number of different people, just as there are in the population resident in the Uk at the moment, including those that bleat loudest about this issue. This is just right wing media feeding the paranoia of those who are naturally inclined to think "foreigners" pose more of a threat then Uk citizens, despite all the evidence showing this not to be the case.

If we processed claims quickly and efficiently there would be control over the process in accordance with international law, then we would have a better handle on such matters.

All well and good Swale if the EU was doing the same, but it aint.
Their borders are porous and they don't protect them correctly. Hence, you have the Greeks and Italians/Polish/Hungarians actually doing push back. Oh look the ECHR can be ignored after all.
Damn their international credibility

[SithHappens]

You may be right, but what a sad indictment of selfish modern society that would be.

Let me refer you to the leave or remain referendum in 16

[Trickytreesreds]

contiguous zone - according to the UNCLOS (Article 33), this is a zone contiguous to a coastal state's territorial sea, over which it may exercise the control necessary to: prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration, or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea; the contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured (e.g., the US has claimed a 12-nautical mile contiguous zone in addition to its 12-nautical mile territorial sea); where the coasts of two states are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither state is entitled to extend its contiguous zone beyond the median line, every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baseline from which the contiguous zone of both states are measured.

So yes, legally you can stop this, but Sunak, in fact all British polticians don't have the stomach to do it.