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[ramAnag]

and yet he rattles you all so much. He did destroy it, as promised, by the people who voted him in to do so. Like a turkey for Christmas, he threw that job away gladly. Seeing as the EU has raped all us tax payers for their bloated pensions, he can keep it with my blessing. In 2016, they were wasting £150M a year just moving parliament every month, to pacify the French, yet you moan about one mans pension?
More RIGHT WING MEPS will now sit in that parliament, expect to see more destroying going on.

Recent surveys after the debates, show the public trust his words more than the other two and the fact checkers had him more or less spot on.
Pity the other two couldn't match it.

Sorry Tricky…he doesn’t ‘rattle’ me at all. Just depresses me that people like you can be so gullible. Johnson last time…Farage this.
I’ve told you previously about Farage’s association with the likes of ‘Posh George’…now he’s aligning himself with Andrew Tate - the revoltingly malevolent and misogynistic ‘social influencer’.
He now claims that Tate could be an ‘important voice for men and the emasculated’ and ‘perhaps provide boys in the classroom with more confidence’.

You and I have always disagreed, that’s the nature of politics when you have two posters with such opposite stances, but if you and those who think like you really can’t see that there’s something very, very wrong and dangerous with all this then frankly you’ve genuinely lost the plot.

[Trickytreesreds]

Sorry Tricky…he doesn’t ‘rattle’ me at all. Just depresses me that people like you can be so gullible. Johnson last time…Farage this.
I’ve told you previously about Farage’s association with the likes of ‘Posh George’…now he’s aligning himself with Andrew Tate - the revoltingly malevolent and misogynistic ‘social influencer’.
He now claims that Tate could be an ‘important voice for men and the emasculated’ and ‘perhaps provide boys in the classroom with more confidence’.

You and I have always disagreed, that’s the nature of politics when you have two posters with such opposite stances, but if you and those who think like you really can’t see that there’s something very, very wrong and dangerous with all this then frankly you’ve genuinely lost the plot.

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. Its you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

[Andy_Faber]

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. Its you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

All getting a bit too nam-cally / personal, just make your points

[ramAnag]

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. It’s you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

Thanks AF…appreciated, but he can rant at me as much as he likes as far as I’m concerned. True colours and all that.

‘Cuckold life’! Lol! Are you on something?

What do I mean by gullible? I mean in 2019 you supported Johnson who people warned you was a self serving, hypocritical shambles of a man.
How did that work out? Turned a massive Tory majority into a likely wipe out in less than five years…that’s how.

Now you idolise ‘Sir Nigel’, another talented orator who only looks after himself.

I thought we were meant to be clearing up the sleaze of the last 5-14 years. So is it okay in your book to have a potential MP and possible leader of the opposition who already keeps the company of convicted criminals and speaks up in favour of a proven misogynist - who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking - and believes him to be a good male role model? (Do please answer that.)

Mind you…coming from someone who thinks Donald - ‘you can grab ‘em by the p****’ - Trump is the ‘bravest man I’ve ever met…in my life’, I suppose few of us will be surprised.

[MadAmster]

and yet he rattles you all so much. He did destroy it, as promised, by the people who voted him in to do so. Like a turkey for Christmas, he threw that job away gladly. Seeing as the EU has raped all us tax payers for their bloated pensions, he can keep it with my blessing. In 2016, they were wasting £150M a year just moving parliament every month, to pacify the French, yet you moan about one mans pension?
More RIGHT WING MEPS will now sit in that parliament, expect to see more destroying going on.

Recent surveys after the debates, show the public trust his words more than the other two and the fact checkers had him more or less spot on.
Pity the other two couldn't match it.

Did he, really?

The answer is, of course, no he didn't. He destroyed it so much that, just 15 days ago, there were the 4 yearly EU elections for a new EU Parliament. Those elected are now juggling themselves together into their little political enclave groups to see which group has the most MEPs. Then the new commission will be appointed and off they go on the next 4 year chapter of the institution you believe to have been destroyed.

There are, indeed more right wing MEPs this time round. They've grown in number in their own countries of late and a similar outcome in "Brussels" was as clear as daylight. I, for one, am not surprised that it happened. Totally logical that it would. It's also totally logical that their influence will, over the next 2 or 3 election cycles, both nationally and in the EU, lose ground and once more become the irrelevance they were 10 years ago. Why? Simply because they are, basically, one policy parties. Immigrant bashing. They also have a lot to say on all the tings they perceive their national governments have got wrong. What they say, and never have, never will, is what they would do if in power.

Take the Dutch PVV (please, somebody take them ). The party has ONE member, Wilders. He built up a following by hammering immigration, hammering Islam, pointing out what he found wrong with governement policy. He did that without explaining what he'd do to rectify all the problems. He never offered a single solution, Why not? Because he doesn't have one.

Now he's the largest single party in the Netherlands with 37 of the 150 seats. That meant he had to form a coalition. I didn't think he's manage it but he has. His "partners" are the BBB (Farmer and Public Movement) who have sided with the PVV throughout this election. The new NSC (New Social Contract) who always said they'd never join a Wilders pact but have. Why they changed tack is clear. Their leader, Peter Omtzigt, is probably the best Parliamentarian we've had in my 40 years of living here. He got into talks, got most of what he wanted. He got Wilders to agree that each and every Law and Policy had to be 100% legal, within the Constitution AND executable. That led to Wilders dropping his Ultra right wing plans to ban the Koran, lose Mosques etc. Then they got into the nitty gritty. He had promised to scrap the Health Insurance excess of €385 a year. He regularly hammered the VVD, the CDA, D66 and other parties because they didn't announce that policy. The recently reached coalition agreement will reduce the excess by about 40%... in 2027. they hope to be able to afford it. Another election promise was a large rise in the minimum wage. That has been sccrapped. There's more of the same but you get the gist. He scrapped a lot of his election promises because they were either illegal or unaffordable or just simply aren't workable. He will disappoint his voters. Next election he will do well again as he will blame the "other parties". He may well be given a 2nd chance by the voters but, he'll fail again for the same reasons. Legal issues, unworkable or unaffordable. Over 2 or 3 election cycles his share of the vote, both for den Haag and for Brussels will shrink.

It is my opinion that the AfD in Germany and the other far right populists will suffer the same fate. they found an audience but their "fame" will not survive more than a couple of elections. Why? because their policies are NOT for the good of the populace as a whole. Jingoism at best.

[Trickytreesreds]

Did he, really?

The answer is, of course, no he didn't. He destroyed it so much that, just 15 days ago, there were the 4 yearly EU elections for a new EU Parliament. Those elected are now juggling themselves together into their little political enclave groups to see which group has the most MEPs. Then the new commission will be appointed and off they go on the next 4 year chapter of the institution you believe to have been destroyed.

There are, indeed more right wing MEPs this time round. They've grown in number in their own countries of late and a similar outcome in "Brussels" was as clear as daylight. I, for one, am not surprised that it happened. Totally logical that it would. It's also totally logical that their influence will, over the next 2 or 3 election cycles, both nationally and in the EU, lose ground and once more become the irrelevance they were 10 years ago. Why? Simply because they are, basically, one policy parties. Immigrant bashing. They also have a lot to say on all the tings they perceive their national governments have got wrong. What they say, and never have, never will, is what they would do if in power.

Take the Dutch PVV (please, somebody take them ). The party has ONE member, Wilders. He built up a following by hammering immigration, hammering Islam, pointing out what he found wrong with governement policy. He did that without explaining what he'd do to rectify all the problems. He never offered a single solution, Why not? Because he doesn't have one.

Now he's the largest single party in the Netherlands with 37 of the 150 seats. That meant he had to form a coalition. I didn't think he's manage it but he has. His "partners" are the BBB (Farmer and Public Movement) who have sided with the PVV throughout this election. The new NSC (New Social Contract) who always said they'd never join a Wilders pact but have. Why they changed tack is clear. Their leader, Peter Omtzigt, is probably the best Parliamentarian we've had in my 40 years of living here. He got into talks, got most of what he wanted. He got Wilders to agree that each and every Law and Policy had to be 100% legal, within the Constitution AND executable. That led to Wilders dropping his Ultra right wing plans to ban the Koran, lose Mosques etc. Then they got into the nitty gritty. He had promised to scrap the Health Insurance excess of €385 a year. He regularly hammered the VVD, the CDA, D66 and other parties because they didn't announce that policy. The recently reached coalition agreement will reduce the excess by about 40%... in 2027. they hope to be able to afford it. Another election promise was a large rise in the minimum wage. That has been sccrapped. There's more of the same but you get the gist. He scrapped a lot of his election promises because they were either illegal or unaffordable or just simply aren't workable. He will disappoint his voters. Next election he will do well again as he will blame the "other parties". He may well be given a 2nd chance by the voters but, he'll fail again for the same reasons. Legal issues, unworkable or unaffordable. Over 2 or 3 election cycles his share of the vote, both for den Haag and for Brussels will shrink.

It is my opinion that the AfD in Germany and the other far right populists will suffer the same fate. they found an audience but their "fame" will not survive more than a couple of elections. Why? because their policies are NOT for the good of the populace as a whole. Jingoism at best.

He did destroy it though.
The brakes went on what was a run away train.
The UK was very much in their plans of empire expansion, even so much as integrating the UK forces and nuclear umbrella into their much lusted after European army.
They lost revenue, they lost credibility of their wonderland propaganda speeches. We have indeed seen much push back now in many European countries, using the UK as an example of rebellion of voice. Folks have got fed up there, of thr EU hushing up topics, not reporting on them. Geobbels would have been proud.
To be fair, we did Europe a favour, they may well get a much better balanced EU with the right having that voice.
They have the same topics there, winding them up, that we have here,

Crime/ green/immigration/ control. In fact Europe have now rebelled faster there than here. But we are catching up.
Globalism has pushed too hard.

[MadAmster]

He did destroy it though.
The brakes went on what was a run away train.
The UK was very much in their plans of empire expansion, even so much as integrating the UK forces and nuclear umbrella into their much lusted after European army.
They lost revenue, they lost credibility of their wonderland propaganda speeches. We have indeed seen much push back now in many European countries, using the UK as an example of rebellion of voice. Folks have got fed up there, of thr EU hushing up topics, not reporting on them. Geobbels would have been proud.
To be fair, we did Europe a favour, they may well get a much better balanced EU with the right having that voice.
They have the same topics there, winding them up, that we have here,

Crime/ green/immigration/ control. In fact Europe have now rebelled faster there than here. But we are catching up.
Globalism has pushed too hard.

You obviously have a very different understanding of the word "destroy".

Destroy - verb
end the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.


Synonyms:
demolish
tear down
raze (to the ground)
dismantle

Destroy? Think again.

As I said. It's not really surprising the extreme populist right has scored a victory at the polls. You should also not be surprised when they return to previous polling figures in roughly the next decade. They have no, legal, solutions to anything.

[Trickytreesreds]

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/ypdAAumj

Priceless,

[Trickytreesreds]

Douglas Murray 2 weeks ago. Man hits it spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTsdN6LZOpY

[Geoff Parkstone]

All getting a bit too nam-cally / personal, just make your points

But he's too dumb to make his points isn't he???