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  1. #581
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    "There were 10,678 negligence claims made last year, a tiny increase from the 10,673 in 2017/18."

    So if we followed 59 and BT's 'the buck stops here' policy, that would be 10.678 Health Secretarys we'd gone through in just one year.

    Sorry lads, it just doesn't work like that. Thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Hard to imagine that Team England led by Hancock's Half Hour did not put in an immediate, mandatory protocol in place, across all England's hospitals sinkov?
    There were already protocols in place BT, as is shown by the comments of front line NHS staff above, they weren't followed.

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    True or False (again?)
    https://www.ynetnews.com/health_scie...cle/Bk111f9AFI

    Israel has isolated a key coronavirus antibody at its main biological research laboratory, the defence minister said on Monday, calling the step a "significant breakthrough" toward a possible treatment for the COVID-19 pandemic.

    The "monoclonal neutralizing antibody" developed at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) "can neutralize it (the disease-causing coronavirus) inside carriers' bodies,"

    The antibody reported as having been isolated at the IIBR is monoclonal, meaning it was derived from a single recovered cell and is thus potentially of more potent value in yielding a treatment.

    Elsewhere, there have been coronavirus treatments developed from antibodies that are polyclonal, or derived from two or more cells of different ancestry, the magazine Science Direct reported in its May issue.

  4. #584
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    Sinkov, is this a fair assessment of how you may consider how to vote if there was an election tomorrow?

    NHS - p1ss poor, but not the Governments fault.

    EDUCATION - poor standard, but it is the individual schools that are at fault. Lack of Grammar schools costing us dear. () Government not to blame.

    DEFENCE - Poor in many areas. Priorities wrong. Fault of the army/air force/navy. Government not to blame.

    ECONOMY - Spending priorities wrong. Too much money going to the nanny state. Fault of Bank of England and the Financial "experts". Government not to blame.

    SOCIAL CARE - shocking service. Fault of the Whitehall mandarins and individual care providers and Council providers. Government not to blame.

    BREXIT - We have left!, Government has done a great job.

    IMMIGRATION - (until this crisis...) immigration from outside the EU continues to rise causing strain on our services. The "experts" have told us that we need immigration to maintain some of our services. It is their fault. Government not to blame.

    Basically, the Government is responsible for all the above. In each case they take advice from "experts" but at the end of the day it is the Government who make decisions on funding levels and the structure of the organisations.
    You can try to pass the buck on to the various "experts" but the Government is where the buck always stops. At election time you will have to make your own decision on how these services are being provided. You COULD give the Government a free pass and blame shortcomings on the various "experts", but it is the Government who employ these "experts". The "experts" bosses are the Government.
    The NHS, for example, must do the bidding of the Government of the day. And is our duty to elect a Government that we think will provide decent services. That Government will then put the funding and structures in place to, hopefully, ensure that the services are run well.

    Not difficult to understand? This is how our public services have been run for donkeys years.

  5. #585
    Aye, good luck with that dream 59er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Sinkov, is this a fair assessment of how you may consider how to vote if there was an election tomorrow?

    NHS - p1ss poor, but not the Governments fault.

    EDUCATION - poor standard, but it is the individual schools that are at fault. Lack of Grammar schools costing us dear. () Government not to blame.

    DEFENCE - Poor in many areas. Priorities wrong. Fault of the army/air force/navy. Government not to blame.

    ECONOMY - Spending priorities wrong. Too much money going to the nanny state. Fault of Bank of England and the Financial "experts". Government not to blame.

    SOCIAL CARE - shocking service. Fault of the Whitehall mandarins and individual care providers and Council providers. Government not to blame.

    BREXIT - We have left!, Government has done a great job.

    IMMIGRATION - (until this crisis...) immigration from outside the EU continues to rise causing strain on our services. The "experts" have told us that we need immigration to maintain some of our services. It is their fault. Government not to blame.

    Basically, the Government is responsible for all the above. In each case they take advice from "experts" but at the end of the day it is the Government who make decisions on funding levels and the structure of the organisations.
    You can try to pass the buck on to the various "experts" but the Government is where the buck always stops. At election time you will have to make your own decision on how these services are being provided. You COULD give the Government a free pass and blame shortcomings on the various "experts", but it is the Government who employ these "experts". The "experts" bosses are the Government.
    The NHS, for example, must do the bidding of the Government of the day. And is our duty to elect a Government that we think will provide decent services. That Government will then put the funding and structures in place to, hopefully, ensure that the services are run well.

    Not difficult to understand? This is how our public services have been run for donkeys years.
    Meanwhile in 2019:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50186779

    and guess what was reported yesterday:- https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/18...-health-board/

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    Yes, the Welsh Assembly have issues as well Super.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    Yes, the Welsh Assembly have issues as well Super.
    59_60 ---it was the Trust that employed the so-called 'experts' --it is not the only one to have done this either.
    The NHS wastes money without even trying to. Mismanagement but well paid for doing it.
    The whole lot needs a big cull and pointing in the right direction ---it will never happen.

  9. #589
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersub6 View Post
    59_60 ---it was the Trust that employed the so-called 'experts' --it is not the only one to have done this either.
    The NHS wastes money without even trying to. Mismanagement but well paid for doing it.
    The whole lot needs a big cull and pointing in the right direction ---it will never happen.
    I largely agree with that Super.

    But it is only the Government who can sort it. It is their responsibility.

  10. #590
    You know what a misnomer is 59er?

    Government and responsibility are not exactly compatible are they?

    And I don't give a sh-it, whether its a Tory or Labour government either...

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/04/new-t...z_DOUaMXAXp5Cc

    Why oh why do they not do transparency?

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