If there is a second EU referendum

[ramAnag]

There's rather more of a consequence to making a 'massive mistake' in a Referendum than a General Election though MoP. You could have 'another go' within five years of voting for Thatcher. Be a very long time till we can put this one right and the consequences are far more far reaching...if we go through with it.

[ramAnag]

Oh God no! Swaley, you talk so much sense but you're the world's worst pundit. Still getting over this time last week...then you said we must beat Iceland...and now Gove has 'not a cat in hells chance'. I thought that too...now I'm worried .

[swaledale]

Oh God no! Swaley, you talk so much sense but you're the world's worst pundit. Still getting over this time last week...then you said we must beat Iceland...and now Gove has 'not a cat in hells chance'. I thought that too...now I'm worried .

To be fair I only echoed what the bookies and the markets thought and even Fargae though and of course Johnson was banking on about the referendum.

As for Iceland I didn't say we'd win merely asked the question!

As for Gove, the Tories may be vicious little ****s but even they wont vote for that ugly treacherous ******* - he's been offered a cabinet job or a gong if he lays himself down to trash Boris!!

[ramAnag]

To be fair I only echoed what the bookies and the markets thought and even Fargae though and of course Johnson was banking on about the referendum.

As for Iceland I didn't say we'd win merely asked the question!

As for Gove, the Tories may be vicious little ****s but even they wont vote for that ugly treacherous ******* - he's been offered a cabinet job or a gong if he lays himself down to trash Boris!!

Well that'll teach you...never ever...ever...ever 'echo' what that poor excuse for a human being - Farage - says! Him saying they'd lose was what really worried me. Got me all depressed again...
...but then I thought of Angry at IKEA...brightened my day. There's always somebody worse off. Christ...I hope they've been warned.

P.S. How come women can always find their way round IKEA. I can navigate round the Peak District whereas my wife's a navigational disaster but put us in an IKEA store (actually...don't) and I'd be lost forever without her.

[AngryRam]

Well that'll teach you...never ever...ever...ever 'echo' what that poor excuse for a human being - Farage - says! Him saying they'd lose was what really worried me. Got me all depressed again...
...but then I thought of Angry at IKEA...brightened my day. There's always somebody worse off. Christ...I hope they've been warned.

P.S. How come women can always find their way round IKEA. I can navigate round the Peak District whereas my wife's a navigational disaster but put us in an IKEA store (actually...don't) and I'd be lost forever without her.

It's that bloody area with all the kitchen bits and bobs in it... Bloody hours in that bit and end up buying rubbish we don't ever need.
Can't wait... Sad cow is soooo excited as well

[swaledale]

It's that bloody area with all the kitchen bits and bobs in it... Bloody hours in that bit and end up buying rubbish we don't ever need.
Can't wait... Sad cow is soooo excited as well

WE agree on lots of things, team rotation, focus on the league not the FA Cup eh, oh maybe we have some differences, but if we all cam eat things from the same point of view it would be boring!

OMG - dont envy your trip - mind you have to admire a guy who thought I can sell lots of pointless crap by calling them obscure scandanavian style names!

[ramAnag]

I see the recent Austrian General Election is to be 're-run' because the far right 'Freedom Party' didn't 'like' being beaten by the Green Party. Precedent anyone?
Having thought about this a lot over the last week here are three reasons for not going ahead with the result of the EU vote.
1. The concept of having a Referendum over such huge issues is deeply flawed because most people, including me, aren't capable of fully appreciating the complexities.
2. Apparently 2.3m Brexiteers have now witnessed the chaos that has just begun, acknowledged that they were misled by the lies of at least one subsequently entirely discredited politician and now regret their vote.
3. If we must have a Referendum - and I believe we have a system of 'Parliamentary Democracy' to avoid such nonsense - shouldn't a majority decision where a 'two horse race' is concerned constitute the wishes of at least 51% of the whole electorate, not just those who are able/feel intellectually equipped/can be bothered to vote?

[AngryRam]

I see the recent Austrian General Election is to be 're-run' because the far right 'Freedom Party' didn't 'like' being beaten by the Green Party. Precedent anyone?
Having thought about this a lot over the last week here are three reasons for not going ahead with the result of the EU vote.
1. The concept of having a Referendum over such huge issues is deeply flawed because most people, including me, aren't capable of fully appreciating the complexities.
2. Apparently 2.3m Brexiteers have now witnessed the chaos that has just begun, acknowledged that they were misled by the lies of at least one subsequently entirely discredited politician and now regret their vote.
3. If we must have a Referendum - and I believe we have a system of 'Parliamentary Democracy' to avoid such nonsense - shouldn't a majority decision where a 'two horse race' is concerned constitute the wishes of at least 51% of the whole electorate, not just those who are able/feel intellectually equipped/can be bothered to vote?

Okay I will bite..
1. Who has the capabilities then.. Please don't say the politicians, they just lie apparently.
2. Proof please. Back up the claim that a large section of the Leave vote would change..
3. How would that ever work.. Force people to vote? What about people who spoil they ballot papers.. Hang them.. There is nothing to say that even if we were able to do that, that the result would have been any different.

[Trickytreesreds]

I see the recent Austrian General Election is to be 're-run' because the far right 'Freedom Party' didn't 'like' being beaten by the Green Party. Precedent anyone?
Having thought about this a lot over the last week here are three reasons for not going ahead with the result of the EU vote.
1. The concept of having a Referendum over such huge issues is deeply flawed because most people, including me, aren't capable of fully appreciating the complexities.
2. Apparently 2.3m Brexiteers have now witnessed the chaos that has just begun, acknowledged that they were misled by the lies of at least one subsequently entirely discredited politician and now regret their vote.
3. If we must have a Referendum - and I believe we have a system of 'Parliamentary Democracy' to avoid such nonsense - shouldn't a majority decision where a 'two horse race' is concerned constitute the wishes of at least 51% of the whole electorate, not just those who are able/feel intellectually equipped/can be bothered to vote?

Bag a bollox

1. You can say that on a general election. You read their manifesto's/listen to their promises - then what they don't tell you has ramifications for someone in society. Even what they do tell you, means not everyone will understand in complexities.

2. See above- though where you get your figures from eludes me.

3. You have the right to vote. No one can force you to vote.
If you don't, then you don't get to moan about **** all.
The results are what they are. The majority wins, no matter how many of the losers moan and whinge.

The country was promised one in a manifesto. Said government was elected. Vote is cast, deal with it.

[ramAnag]

Bag a bollox

1. You can say that on a general election. You read their manifesto's/listen to their promises - then what they don't tell you has ramifications for someone in society. Even what they do tell you, means not everyone will understand in complexities.

2. See above- though where you get your figures from eludes me.

3. You have the right to vote. No one can force you to vote.
If you don't, then you don't get to moan about **** all.
The results are what they are. The majority wins, no matter how many of the losers moan and whinge.

The country was promised one in a manifesto. Said government was elected. Vote is cast, deal with it.

'Bag a bollux', thank you for that erudite response.

Of course you can say that 'on a General Election' but the alternative to an elected government is Totalitarianism. We elect a government, which we can get rid of within five years, as part of a Parliamentary Democracy which we employ to make such decisions. Why then ask us to make this one enormous decision?

Voting is compulsory in some countries. Some people may not have been able to vote...illness, unavoidable situations, work commitments, temporary addresses, thinking they didn't know enough etc.

The majority didn't win...that's the point. That's why if we have to have any referendum - and personally I hope we never do again - to achieve a result there would have to be a vote equivalent to at least 51% of the electorate.

'Dealing' with something doesn't necessarily imply tacit acceptance.