OT another terrorist attack.

[John2]

I will explain exactly why. It's the same reason why I can't nail a couple of Kempo's old falsehoods. You simply can no longer access posts made before a certain date.

I looked back and only posts from 2013 and earlier are no longer accessible on Mad.

What year are you suggesting these posts are from?

[Brin]

Are you Kerrs puppet?

[KerrAvon]

So that's a 'no' to taking the 'Proven Liar Challenge'?

Pity.

Have you checked to see how far back you can go? Surely you can find a single post to support your allegation?

My offer remains open even if you won't accept the challenge. One post to prove your claim and I'll go, never to return.

[monty_rhodes]

So that's a 'no' to taking the 'Proven Liar Challenge'?

Pity.

Have you checked to see how far back you can go? Surely you can find a single post to support your allegation?

My offer remains open even if you won't accept the challenge. One post to prove your claim and I'll go, never to return.

You're a liar on the basis of your statements today. Earlier in the thread roly associated Islamic terrorism with Western foreign policy and posed the rhetorical question "What other reason could there be?"
I referred to my earlier posts in which prominent Muslims had given alternative answers and said that typically these contrary opinions were ignored on here by the usual suspects. I stated specifically that this "confirmed their views" and made no further observation as to how correct their analysis was.
You, a supposed lawyer, then stated unequivocally that I had claimed those views "settled the issue" and called into question my objectivity. I made no such statement and your post was a lie intended to undermine my credibility.
As to your "challenge", this is the pathetic response of Kempo with his £5000 bet. Your bizarre behaviour in trolling 3 separate boards speaks for itself.
You are a complete waster. You didn't even ask who the "leading Muslim lawyer" was. Yet could speak for your many Muslim lawyer friends who would you knew dispute the claim. You really are a pathetic weasel.

[rolymiller]

Flippin eck I am not here for a few hours and it all kicks off..owd yer hosses a bit monty

[Ellis_D]

Paul Joseph Watson absolutely spot on again. I await all the denials and excuses from the usual apologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb99RVT6afI

[KerrAvon]

Paul Joseph Watson absolutely spot on again. I await all the denials and excuses from the usual apologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb99RVT6afI

We've already had one spectacular display of apologism in this thread, Ellis.

In post 39, you said:

Let's have it right. This man almost certainly wouldn't have committed this act of terror were it not for the recent terror attacks in London and Manchester. So rather than pointing to the terrible reactionary incident(s) that follow that, we should be, as a united nation, attacking the root cause. And that is a million miles away from being Islamophobia; it is Islamism.

So, in other words, your position seems to be that the 'Islamic' attacks in Manchester and London are the fault of Islam, whereas the 'Christian' attack at Finsbury Park was also the fault of Islam.

Personally, I think they are the fault of the people who encourage and assist in and perpertrate the acts.

You appear to want to give the West an absolute pardon for any of its actions, whereas I disagree. If posting links to articles or videos containing opinions that support our views is the way forward, I rather like this one: http://warincontext.org/2010/11/19/w...nce-of-arabia/ There is a sentence in there that I think very perceptive: It is not necessary to agree with the Arab point of view about their own history, but it is foolish to ignore it.

[Ellis_D]

We've already had one spectacular display of apologism in this thread, Ellis.

In post 39, you said:

So, in other words, your position seems to be that the 'Islamic' attacks in Manchester and London are the fault of Islam, whereas the 'Christian' attack at Finsbury Park was also the fault of Islam.

Personally, I think they are the fault of the people who encourage and assist in and perpertrate the acts.

You appear to want to give the West an absolute pardon for any of its actions, whereas I disagree. If posting links to articles or videos containing opinions that support our views is the way forward, I rather like this one: http://warincontext.org/2010/11/19/w...nce-of-arabia/ There is a sentence in there that I think very perceptive: It is not necessary to agree with the Arab point of view about their own history, but it is foolish to ignore it.

Wow, all the things I have said on this matter and you choose to focus on that.

I love how you try to twist things too. Where has it been revealed the man is a Christian? Let's assume he is, let me know which passages he, as a Christian, was following in the New Testament that ordered him to try to murder Muslims?

I have always said the fault of a terrorist attack is the fault of the perpetrator and those who have radicalised them. Well, he is the perpetrator, so he is mainly to blame. Seeing as you can make assumptions to back up your post, I will too. I am assuming he did it in response to the recent terror attacks. Ergo, the people who radicalised him were the people responsible for the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London.........

I certainly don't give a pardon to the west for any actions either. I have condemned this man, I have called for the jailing of the people online who have supported his actions and I have also acknowledged that our foreign policy and our invasion of Islamic countries must play a part in at least some of the terrorist attacks we have suffered from, not to mention the creation and rise of ISIS.

Now, as my stance on those things has never changed, and I have made clear my views, how is that me apologising for the Finsbury Park terrorist, and how is it me pardoning the west for our actions?

[Ellis_D]

A further point, having just read the article attached to to your post, I have also in the past acknowledged that the Sykes-Picot Agreement probably has something to do with some of the unrest and resentment in the Middle East, as does the Israel/Palestine conflict. I don't pardon ourselves, France or the USA for our actions there.

[KerrAvon]

Ellis, if I focused on everything you said, I'd spend my life either on here or researching a response.

I am slightly in awe at your verbosity. You have a lot of time on your hands.

I wouldn't have focused on post 39, but for your reference to apologists, which is with respect as boring and pointless as tiresome references to racism.

You seem to be able to attribute the actions of the Finsbury attacker solely to 'radicalisation' at the hands of the Manchester and London attackers and by dint of that exclude the possibility that he has been influenced by the constant nonsense spouted about Islam on football sites, in pubs, at workplaces and a whole host of other places in the UK. I think that a bit presumptuous of you.