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[noahrab]

Hmmm, I'm sure if I did a straw poll of my acquaintances it would be a landslide the other way.

What was the poll sample?

I sense an ever growing disquiet at the way the queen of Scots is running things.

No real evidence to back it up just listening to conversations and folk (I know) that were mibbe in the "she's doing her best" "Don't envy her" camp have swung in the polar opposite direction.

The hard line SNP independence voters will, in the main, forgive anything for their ultimate goal but those that ain't hard line (I was one) won't forgive the manslaughter of the elderly, the closing of the national covid service, the destruction of business, putting folk on the dole allowing other illnesses to go unchecked and not seeking out alternative scientific views.....there are plenty.

Btw 100% of folk in meh hoose thinks nah.

Poll sample 2, margin of error 0.

If you only vote SNP because you want independence, you’ll accept any old shyte in pursuit of that.

[islaydarkblue]

OK I understand now.

So to summarise you fell out with an SNP MSP and a guy on Argyll and Bute Council over piddling things and the woman in your local newsagent keeps telling you that she supports independence. All these massive negative inputs into your life have led you to extol 'SNP BAD' at every opportunity and to hate everything about a national political party.

Two of the above things might not be 'right' but are they worth despising over 60% of Scotland's population over? I honestly wish my life was as complex as yours.

But what makes you think I believe everything the SNP say and that I dislike getting called Jock?

I fail to understand the 60% figure you quote.
I knew that you would pick a fault with my post so I have kept some information in reserve just in case.
In May 2020 a prominent SNP and pro independence supporter on Islay had a letter published in the Islay newspaper were he stated that he heard that Mr IDB was living in Dundee. If his house on Islay was now his second home Calmac could stop him travelling on the ferry back to Islay.
What a stupid comment to make by a retired University lecturer. I do not know what he was a lecturer in but he certainly was not a lecturer in Common Sense.
I sent two emails to this person asking for an apology for his irresponsible comments in his letter but he never replied.
I was not surprised as SNP supporters and politicians think that they are never wrong and will not apologise when they make a mistake.
However there is a well known saying ‘It comes to those who wait’.
It may take a long time but eventually it will be payback time for me.

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Hmmm, I'm sure if I did a straw poll of my acquaintances it would be a landslide the other way.

What was the poll sample?

I sense an ever growing disquiet at the way the queen of Scots is running things.

No real evidence to back it up just listening to conversations and folk (I know) that were mibbe in the "she's doing her best" "Don't envy her" camp have swung in the polar opposite direction.

The hard line SNP independence voters will, in the main, forgive anything for their ultimate goal but those that ain't hard line (I was one) won't forgive the manslaughter of the elderly, the closing of the national covid service, the destruction of business, putting folk on the dole allowing other illnesses to go unchecked and not seeking out alternative scientific views.....there are plenty.

Btw 100% of folk in meh hoose thinks nah.

Poll sample 2, margin of error 0.

I apologise RRoS and Islay (yes, 2 more apologies) I pulled the figure out of the air for effect without any evidence. Sounded good though didn't it?

I'm still an advocate of independence for my own reasons, which are non political and barely even serious, but in all honesty I've had Sturgeon, her sidekicks and their ridiculous ideas up to the neck and want her tae fek out. I'd hope and expect if there was an election now there would likely be a very strong swing back to the old, traditional Scottish ideals and we'd see Labour at least run the SNP very close.

You used the word manslaughter and I agree but it also needs to apply to those evil Tory *******s in Wasteminster.

[Returnofrros]

I apologise RRoS and Islay (yes, 2 more apologies) I pulled the figure out of the air for effect without any evidence. Sounded good though didn't it?

I'm still an advocate of independence for my own reasons, which are non political and barely even serious, but in all honesty I've had Sturgeon, her sidekicks and their ridiculous ideas up to the neck and want her tae fek out. I'd hope and expect if there was an election now there would likely be a very strong swing back to the old, traditional Scottish ideals and we'd see Labour at least run the SNP very close.

You used the word manslaughter and I agree but it also needs to apply to those evil Tory *******s in Wasteminster.

That's why I used the term hard line SNP independence supporter rather than independence supporter, I can recognise there's a difference.

Snap election SNP still win but no landslide. Imho.

See I don't have a lot of truck now with the conservatives that are really blairites and I take it you can see the difference between someone who has socially conservative values and the conservative party.

As Peter Hitchens keeps saying the country would be better served if the conservatives ceased to exist and a proper socially conservative party filled the void.

And allegedly Peter also wants the dabs to cease to exist as well.😁

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That's why I used the term hard line SNP independence supporter rather than independence supporter, I can recognise there's a difference.

Snap election SNP still win but no landslide. Imho.

See I don't have a lot of truck now with the conservatives that are really blairites and I take it you can see the difference between someone who has socially conservative values and the conservative party.

As Peter Hitchens keeps saying the country would be better served if the conservatives ceased to exist and a proper socially conservative party filled the void.

And allegedly Peter also wants the dabs to cease to exist as well.��

'Evil Tory *******s in Wasteminster' mate, not all Conservatives are evil. Alf Garnett was a great guy for example.

[Returnofrros]

'Evil Tory *******s in Wasteminster' mate, not all Conservatives are evil. Alf Garnett was a great guy for example.

Most of our state run institutions are so far left they would have to cut inside to high five Davie Cooper....even the Royals.🙂, well the ane that had the royal title but isnae actually royal, the ane that married princess BLM.

Speaking of Alf Garnett have a look at curry and chips on you tube to see how far this country has come.

Makes Alf Garnett look like mother Theresa.

[islaydarkblue]

I apologise RRoS and Islay (yes, 2 more apologies) I pulled the figure out of the air for effect without any evidence. Sounded good though didn't it?

I'm still an advocate of independence for my own reasons, which are non political and barely even serious, but in all honesty I've had Sturgeon, her sidekicks and their ridiculous ideas up to the neck and want her tae fek out. I'd hope and expect if there was an election now there would likely be a very strong swing back to the old, traditional Scottish ideals and we'd see Labour at least run the SNP very close.

You used the word manslaughter and I agree but it also needs to apply to those evil Tory *******s in Wasteminster.

There is an relatively simple way to get rid of the SNP MPs and MSPs (apart from list MSPs) but it takes a bit of organisation and goodwill amongst all the Scottish Better Together parties.
At present all the pro independence supporters vote for the SNP politicians whilst the Better Together vote is split amongst the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem politicians.
It is possibly too late for the next Scottish Parliament elections which are due to be held in May 2021 unless Nippy delays them until May 2022 but the party which came second to the SNP in 2016 Scottish Parliament elections should be allowed to stand unopposed against the SNP candidate. This should galvanise the Better Together support.
If the Labour candidate was second in the Argyll and Bute Constituency to Michael Russell the SNP candidate only the Labour candidate should stand in the the Argyll and Bute constituency against the SNP candidate. (Michael Russell is stepping down).
Although I am a life long Conservative and Unionist voter I would happily vote for the Labour candidate to try to get rid of the SNP.

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Although I am a life long Conservative and Unionist voter I would happily vote for the Labour candidate to try to get rid of the SNP.

I thought you were more principled than to cast a strategic vote Islay?

[islaydarkblue]

I thought you were more principled than to cast a strategic vote Islay?

If it was to get rid of the SNP in the Argyll and Bute constituency I would for the only candidate irrespective of which party they was standing for.
One thing is certain it would not be the Green Party as they do not put up candidates for the constituency vote section of the Scottish Parliament elections to ensure that they do not split the pro independence vote.
Patrick Harvie is a waste of time as leader of the Greens at Holyrood as he is only interested in one thing. Billions of pounds should be poured into public transport. That is fine if you live in a Greater Glasgow but no use if you live in a remote part of Scotland or a Scottish island where the ferries are the island residents bridge to the Mainland. The SNP controlled Scottish Government aided by their ‘poodles’ the Greens cannot get two Calmac ferries built on time and within budget. They are currently three years late and likely to cost three times the original price if they are ever completed.
I previously exchanged a series of emails with Patrick Harvie and he was clueless.

[BCram]

The simple way to stop independence is not voting for the SNP either as first past the post vote or in your second vote.