O/T:-Gary Lineker

[sidders]

sinophile they won't be coming here when global warming is a thing as we will be under water

Who are 'they'? Where is 'here'? When will global warming be 'a thing'? What kind of thing will it be? Who are 'we'? Will all of us be under water?
So many questions, such loose language for a person of 64 years (a presumption based on your username)

[Elite_Pie]

Who are 'they'? Where is 'here'? When will global warming be 'a thing'? What kind of thing will it be? Who are 'we'? Will all of us be under water?
So many questions, such loose language for a person of 64 years (a presumption based on your username)

I think he uses phrases from his favourite publication, Gammon Monthly.

[Magpies1959]

I take being called a Gammon as hate speech.

[applepie2]

I take being called a Gammon as hate speech.

Better report it to the Police as a ‘non crime hate incident’ then.

[Ex_Southwell_Magpie]

I take being called a Gammon as hate speech.

You shouldn't really as Gammon is the term always used by Snowflakes.

[Elite_Pie]

I take being called a Gammon as hate speech.

I used to have an aversion to ham, but now I'm cured.

[optipez]

If you believe in free speech then you'd have to stand up for the right of Lineker to Tweet what he wants. Contractually, BBC employees have to remain neutral but as he sub contracts he gets away with it, to the BBCs detriment as it just drags them into impartiality rows they don't need.
The BBC does make a huge amount of good programmes, most of the output of Quest, Yesterday ,Drama and PBS America are BBC re-runs.
Where it falls down for the BBC is that it's always one way liberalism. What are the chances of Professor Neil Oliver being recommissioned to make a history series ?
Free speech involves being irritated and offended. For some It's Jeremy Clarkson and Laurence Fox, for others it's Gary Lineker and Suzy Eddie Izzard. What I don't like is cancel culture and especially one way cancel culture. Most people in life aren't impartial, we all have views but increasingly we are being thought policed into silence. Izzard and Lineker are welcome at the BBC, Clarkson and Fox not so much.
I'm sure the left leaning posters disagree but it is career suicide to admit you voted Brexit and want to have a career at a university, people keep silent as they do about voting Tory. I know this, I have family that do work at universities and they absolutely will not make their views known. That really isn't how a democratic, open, questioning and tolerant society should function.
Covidiots, Brexiloons, fascists, climate change deniers, Terfs, conspiricists, tin foil hat brigade the list goes on and what all the name calling does is close down opinion, close down debate. It largely also reinforces the powerful. Covidiots empowered Matt Hancock, Terf empowered Niccola Sturgeon, climate deniers empowers Bill gates multi billionaire, land grabbing private jet owner and frequent user who's carbon footprint is huge.
Free speech should, I would argue must always rise above politics but increasingly I feel speech is being weaponised into a form of censorship.

[sidders]

If you believe in free speech then you'd have to stand up for the right of Lineker to Tweet what he wants. Contractually, BBC employees have to remain neutral but as he sub contracts he gets away with it, to the BBCs detriment as it just drags them into impartiality rows they don't need.
The BBC does make a huge amount of good programmes, most of the output of Quest, Yesterday ,Drama and PBS America are BBC re-runs.
Where it falls down for the BBC is that it's always one way liberalism. What are the chances of Professor Neil Oliver being recommissioned to make a history series ?
Free speech involves being irritated and offended. For some It's Jeremy Clarkson and Laurence Fox, for others it's Gary Lineker and Suzy Eddie Izzard. What I don't like is cancel culture and especially one way cancel culture. Most people in life aren't impartial, we all have views but increasingly we are being thought policed into silence. Izzard and Lineker are welcome at the BBC, Clarkson and Fox not so much.
I'm sure the left leaning posters disagree but it is career suicide to admit you voted Brexit and want to have a career at a university, people keep silent as they do about voting Tory. I know this, I have family that do work at universities and they absolutely will not make their views known. That really isn't how a democratic, open, questioning and tolerant society should function.
Covidiots, Brexiloons, fascists, climate change deniers, Terfs, conspiricists, tin foil hat brigade the list goes on and what all the name calling does is close down opinion, close down debate. It largely also reinforces the powerful. Covidiots empowered Matt Hancock, Terf empowered Niccola Sturgeon, climate deniers empowers Bill gates multi billionaire, land grabbing private jet owner and frequent user who's carbon footprint is huge.
Free speech should, I would argue must always rise above politics but increasingly I feel speech is being weaponised into a form of censorship.

Good post, Optipez, which has completely changed my mind about you as a poster. This is good thoughtful stuff and although I only agree with about half of it, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and it serves to illustrate that posters on Notts Mad are generally among the brightest bunch in the football firmament. El Sid

[jackal2]

The fact that the thread title and news articles are all talking about Lineker and not the proposed change in law shows that what Gary has done isn’t highlight the issue, but rather distract from it.

I honestly don’t care whether a sports presenter thinks the government are nazis and posts it on twitter.

I do care about how we deal with the real problems of the world. Stick to the topic Gary if you are going to comment, don’t become the story with hyperbole, correct or not.

For better or worse, Gary Lineker's objective is to feed his own ego, celebrity and bank balance. Every few weeks he'll express a possibly insincere and often hypocritical view on a news story knowing full well that the Twittersphere and then the wider media will 'bite' and start debating it, thereby maintaining his celebrity profile and enabling him to get/keep lucrative contracts, for example from companies who want a 'progressive' face to sell unhealthy products that contribute to childhood and adult obesity, or presenting football programmes from Qatar (with a heavy heart etc.)

To be fair to Gary Lineker, he's a smart cookie who plays this cynical game very well, and he's just one of many/most celebrities who do the same from whichever broad political position they choose to adopt. In some cases they may genuinely hold the views they espouse, but in other cases their private views may differ greatly from their public narrative. The views they express and the subjects they choose to speak about are just a vehicle for their true objective, which is to increase or maintain their celebrity status and effectively place themselves as products. As the (very good) singer Jessie J once said: "Thanks for all the likes, and the dislikes - we like both", because they all mean you're being talked about and that equals sales and money.

I'm not saying this is wrong - it's just business. It's the way the world has become, especially since the advent of social media platforms that allow celebrities to provoke and pontificate through their own channels rather than having to abide by the restrictions of someone else's, like the BBC.

In that sense I think Gary Lineker's entitled to say whatever he likes on his own Twitter feed and people can respond in kind. I don't really see why the BBC should be held accountable for their 'celebrities' expressing political views, unless they do it on a BBC programme. In fact, I can think of many un-impartial political views being expressed on BBC programming and going largely unchallenged, but probably because they came from people less successful at promoting themselves than Gary Lineker!

You've got to hand it to him really. With one Tweet, he's stayed at the top of the Notts MAD message board for three days and yet he's never played for Notts and many of our fans aren't really that bothered about the Premier League or Match of the Day.

[BigFatPie]

You've got to hand it to him really. With one Tweet, he's stayed at the top of the Notts MAD message board for three days and yet he's never played for Notts and many of our fans aren't really that bothered about the Premier League or Match of the Day.

That’s true. He’s also saved the more reactionary posters on here from trying to defend the government’s ‘policy’! Well apart from CBP, who ended up posting links which directly contradicted what he was saying. Good old Gary!